Re: First Amendment as quoted on this page

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On 12/14/06, Res ispa Loquitur
wrote:
> My friend all you say is way we
have been taught about America.
Majority
> Rules. This is true in a democracy
but We do not have a democracy and
never
> did. We live in a Republic. The
difference is in a Republic we elect
> people to make decisions for us.
They don't make popular decisions
such as
> Raising Taxes. So these people do
what THEY think is best for us.
>
> The America you refer to has been
gone since 1803 in Mabry v Madison.
Here
> the Federal govenment said they
are over the states. The states
said no We
> are all in a union or federation.
The states are sovereign and can
with
> draw from the union at any time.
They even got the original signors
(very
> old at this time) of the
constitution to testify at the
supreme court to say
> this was the agreement at the
signing of the Constitution ie
states are
> sovereign and can leave the
union. It did not matter the
Federal supreme
> court said they are the only ones
that can "interpret" the
constitution and
> these states MUST comply. As you
know the states did try to break
free
> about 60 years later but by then
the Federal gov was too strong.

Yes at the start of the civil war.

But there was another rebellion long
before that. When the whisky
rebellion took place in PA. in the
latter part of the 1700's. That is
when George Washington him self sent
10,000 troups into PA. to squash it
before it caught fire and spread
through the nation. Federal
regulations starting showing up back
then. And we the people have been
fighting them ever since.

The
> supreme court is not elected but
they make the laws and tell us
people what
> are rights are and our OBligations
(taxes). It this really a democracy
> where 9 unelected men dictate to
the country what their freedoms
are? No!
> Teh people should be telling the
gov what our freedoms are. The
people
> should rule but we don't.
>
> Ben Franklin said if the people
disagree with the government policy
they can
> vote with their feet and leave the
state to one that is more suited for
> their opinions. That America
Franklin lived in is no more because
the Feds
> have complete control. Franklin
was right in one thing he said when
he left
> the Constitutional signing. He
said "Well We have a country now but
it will
> not last"........
>
> Res ispa Loquitur
>
>
> On 12/13/06, v wrote:
>> I understand what you are
saying. No i'm not trying to
interpret the
>> constitution. The problem is,
there are people in government that
treat it
>> as if it were an eqasion writen
by Albert Einstine. With no
definitive
>> answer. So it needs to be
analyised continually untill they
have the final
>> answer. When there is none. If
any of us make a contract to buy a
car, a
>> house, or what ever the contract
may be. Those contracts don't have
to
>> be "understood" Torn apart,
analyised before the supreme court.
They are
>> understood period. I in my opion
think they have to much power.
Shouldn't
>> meddel in our most importent
document, and twist it around, that
we may be
>> offending someone with our laws.
Simple! the majorety always ruled.
Now we
>> have to make exceptions? Laws are
made and passed because that is what
the
>> majority of reasonable people
want. I just wonder why if i can
understand
>> it, with my limited education.
What's wrong with these highly
educated
>> individuals!??
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/06, Res ispa Loquitur
wrote:
>>> My friend the Constitution does
not tell us what our rights and
freedoms
>>> are but rather the Supreme
Court. You are trying to interpret
the
>>> constitution literally and
historicly. I wish this was the
case. The
>>> Bill of Rights only protect
individuals from the Federal
government not
>>> the states. Further since the
Civil war the "Incorporation
doctrine" has
>>> placed the Bill of Rights into
the 14th Amendment. The 14th
amendment
>>> says right to have liberty.
What does liberty mean Freedom?
Free to
>>> own land, free to marry....
Marry what anything? Right to marry
same
>>> sex or marry 5 women?? The
Supreme court tells us what this
Amendment
>>> says. Currently our right is to
marry the opposite sex or 1 woman.
But
>>> there is a current agenda of the
homosexuals siad Scalia to push for
>>> freedom to marry same sex but
not 5 women. So then the Supreme
Court is
>>> was tells us what our rights are
and it slides with the times.
>>>
>>> Final Answer
>>> Res ispa Loquitur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/12/06, v wrote:
>>>> How bout the constitution
dosen't
>>>> give us our rights. The bill of
>>>> rights says what our rights
are??
>>>> And as far as i know we only
have
>>>> one right we can use. The right
to
>>>> remain silent. Are you sure
that's
>>>> your final answer??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/06, Res ispa Loquitur
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are for now this is my final
>>>> answer. Unless I can think of
>>>> another
>>>>> legal theory to present :{
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/06, Bob R/CA wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/11/06, Res ispa
Loquitur.
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember peope there is NO
>>>> Freedom of speech! There is
only
>>>>>>> freedom of Political
speech.
>>>> All other speech can be and is
>>>>>>> regulated or restricted.
>>>> Anything that causes Immediate
>>>> passion
>>>>>>> hate or anger is banned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your final
answer? :o)