Re: Denied Illinois FOID card
Posted by -- on 1/14/08
On 1/14/08, Guns wrote: > In the State of Illinois, a judge must take a second oath of office. Under 705 ILCS 35/2 > states, in part, that "The several judges of the circuit courts of this State, before entering > upon the duties of their office, shall take and subscribe the following oath or affirmation, > which shall be filed in the office of the Secretary of State: > > 'I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the constitution of > the United States, and the constitution of the State of Illinois, and that I will faithfully > discharge the duties of judge of ______ court, according to the best of my ability.'" > > So your stament is incorrect concerning federal constitution, because the judge raised his hand > and swore he would protect the Federal constitution. As US courts currently interpret the 2nd amendment it is not applicable to the various states. States may make any laws regarding the control of firearms as they see fit to. This has always been the case.
However a case before the Supreme Court this term challenges the long held view of the 2nd Amendment as a state right rather than a personal right. When our country was formed the big concern was that the federal government not have absolute power over state governments in all matters. The concept of dual sovereignty was developed. Certain matters the federal government has absolute authority over and certain maters are reserved for state control. The US Constitution always applies to the federal government and usually applies to state governments with some exceptions. The 7th amendment is one example of where the Constitution does not apply to states. The 7th Amendment applies to US Federal Courts but not state courts. In State court the 7h Amendment does not compel a trial by jury in a civil case. The following is the 7th Amendment: "In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." Now a person might think that all courts in the US must give a person a trial by jury in a civil matter. Not so! This part of the Constitution only applies to the federal government not state governments. Likewise the 2nd Amendment only applies to the federal government not state governments. Dual sovereignty is extremely difficult to understand so don't feel alone in your misunderstanding. Until the Supreme Court rules otherwise, the 2nd Amendment does not restrict states from making their own gun control laws.
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- Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/17/06, by Denied A Gun.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/18/06, by Res Ispa Loquitur.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/31/07, by Joe.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/13/07, by NRA MAN.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/22/07, by lj.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/02/07, by Guy.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Lisa.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/07, by Ron.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/19/07, by Aaron Berger.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by Hogan.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA One other thing.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/27/07, by Jack.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/06/07, by Tim.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/26/07, by Hogan.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card Oz, 9/29/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by one last thought.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Diller.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card OZ, 10/01/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/02/07, by Treat with Respect.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 12/17/07, by Pac 57.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by Hogan 21.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/12/08, by FOID CARD.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/21/08, by RIGHT TO ARMS.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/22/08, by NIU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/01/08, by Illinois.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/12/08, by ILLINOIS.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/01/08, by Rudy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by Lisa .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/19/08, by Lisa has a point.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/18/08, by Larry .
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- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/06/08, by Razor.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by Expert.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/27/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/29/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by DILLER.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by Greg Holz.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paula.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paul a..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/08/08, by Terrence not Terence.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/08, by Jerome Brown.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by Steven Pitts.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by by paul a. to steven pitts.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by DILLER.
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- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/09/08, by Sue .
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- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/14/08, by Student.
- Re: likely to be unrightously Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/27/08, by J.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by Take Them to Court now.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by NO DETC for ALU , NOT NOW - MAYBE LATER ?.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by ALU and CA Southern JUne 2009 accredition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by Wait for DETC Before Enrolling at ALU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by WSCL no good.
- Re: WCSL, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law - Forget About DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by Ultra Expensive -Please Lower Tuition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law - DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by ALU..........wish them well.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by TGA thank god already.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card for stupidity, 2/05/09, by Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/16/09, by Retired Lawyer cs..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/21/09, by Randy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/21/10, by corey s..
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