Re: Denied Illinois FOID card
Posted by -- on 1/15/08
On 1/15/08, v wrote: > What country do they hail from that they need interpreters to to interpret the English writen > constitution of the United States of America??? > It wasen't writen in latin, if it were, we could probly put all this interpretation behind us. > Now i know why i failed english so many times, i didn't have an interpreter. Damn!!!!!! No its not you -- it is difficult in any language to write a document that will withstand all time. When the Constitution was written it was written by representatives of the various states. They realized that there was strength in union of the states but they also feared a centralized government. The Constitution was written to achieve the strength of a union and the freedom of the individual states to govern themselves and their own citizens. The second Amendment was included to prevent the federal government from prohibiting the states from maintaining armed and well regulated militias. In a kingdom, like England at that time, there was only the right of the King to maintain an army. The "framers" of the Constitution did not want the federal government to become a king with the exclusive right to maintain an armed militia. In effect, the 2nd Amendment gave gun control to the individual states. Each state would have the right to determine how it would allow its citizens to bear arms and the federal government was prohibited from interfering with the state's right to do so. (Some states actually required gun ownership and others simply allowed or encouraged it) The theory apparently was that each state would be like a separate finger on a hand, capable of independent existence and movement but if some outside force threatened the union of states they would all come together like a strong fist. The "framers" did not see a strong federal standing army as a good idea. Now, 250 years later there are automatic weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds of ammunition in seconds. There are firearms that the "framers" could not possibly have contemplated. However, in the ongoing wisdom of the document they created, rather than the federal government stepping in and banning all firearms nation wide, the 2nd Amendment still allows individual states to determine what restrictions they want to place on their own citizens. Surface to air missiles fully automatic weapons and other implements of mass destruction beyond the scope of a state militia (only the federal government may declare war a state militia can not) are banned by the federal government but each state is still free to allow weapons within the guidelines of maintaining a well regulated militia. So here is where we are: The 2nd Amendment allows states the right to permit their citizens to possess firearms but does not require that states to do so. The 2nd Amendment confers a right on states but that right is not conferred on individual citizens. Under the 2nd Amendment it is up to the states how they want to control firearms and the federal government can't interfere. Here is the basic difference on how the Constitution is applied: The right of free speech is an individual right guaranteed to all citizens by the first Amendment; In contrast, the 2nd Amendment is a "state" right conferred on a state government but not on individual citizens. Until the Supreme Court reads the 2nd Amendment the way you want them to, states have authority over gun control within their borders. FOID is a lawful exercise of the power conferred on states by the Constitution.
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- Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/17/06, by Denied A Gun.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/18/06, by Res Ispa Loquitur.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/31/07, by Joe.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/13/07, by NRA MAN.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/22/07, by lj.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/22/07, by lj.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/02/07, by Guy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Lisa.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Lisa.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/19/07, by Aaron Berger.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by Hogan.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by JR.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA One other thing.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/27/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/27/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/06/07, by Tim.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/26/07, by Hogan.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card Oz, 9/29/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by one last thought.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Diller.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card OZ, 10/01/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/02/07, by Treat with Respect.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/02/07, by Razzle.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by who cares.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/25/07, by butwhat.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/25/07, by butwhat.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/30/07, by Hawk.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/30/07, by -.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/28/07, by Trying to Help.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 12/17/07, by Pac 57.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by Hogan 21.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/12/08, by FOID CARD.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/15/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/15/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/15/08, by v.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/15/08, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Captain America.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Res Ipsa Loquitur.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/17/08, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/21/08, by RIGHT TO ARMS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/21/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/22/08, by NIU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns 2.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/29/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/29/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/01/08, by Illinois.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/01/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/12/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/12/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/13/08, by ASTRO.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/14/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/15/08, by dser.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/17/08, by lrw.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/17/08, by Kent.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/18/08, by FOID.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/19/08, by Concerned.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/01/08, by Rudy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by Lisa .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/19/08, by Lisa has a point.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/18/08, by Larry .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/25/08, by Happy.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/06/08, by Razor.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by Expert.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/27/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/27/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by Jacky.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL . .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/29/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/29/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by Greg Holz.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paula.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paul a..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/08/08, by Terrence not Terence.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/08, by Jerome Brown.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/08, by Jerome Brown.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by Steven Pitts.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by by paul a. to steven pitts.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by nope.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by Steven P.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/13/08, by Solo.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/13/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/14/08, by Solo.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/17/08, by Net.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/09/08, by Sue .
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/09/08, by --.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/14/08, by Student.
- Re: likely to be unrightously Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/27/08, by J.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by Take Them to Court now.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by NO DETC for ALU , NOT NOW - MAYBE LATER ?.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by ALU and CA Southern JUne 2009 accredition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by Wait for DETC Before Enrolling at ALU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by WSCL no good.
- Re: WCSL, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law - Forget About DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by Ultra Expensive -Please Lower Tuition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law - DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by ALU..........wish them well.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by TGA thank god already.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card for stupidity, 2/05/09, by Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/16/09, by Retired Lawyer cs..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/21/09, by Randy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/21/10, by corey s..
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