Re: Denied Illinois FOID card

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Good point made, the States tried to destroy the federal constitution and failed,
think about it, what dose that tell you; it tells you that the federal constitution
is not to be governed by the state. The states must follow it. You have to understand
the basics, of the Federal constitution; the document was created, and put in place
to protect the people of the United States from the Federal Government and to protect
them from State Government as well.

iedOn 10/01/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
> You, too, could have taken advantage of your constitutional right to a free public
> education. Had you done so, you might have read those couple of chapters in the
> history textbooks about the Civil War (or the War Between the States as it is
> sometimes called). If memory serves, that was a little thing that occurred when a
> group of states tried to remove themselves from the federal constitution.
>
> On 10/01/07, Tracy wrote:
>> I am not trying to be a smart ass, but a theory is a proven fact, a theory is
>> when testing research have been done over and over to verify it. You mean to say
>> hypothesis, rather then theory. A hypothesis is a tentative explanation for an
>> observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further
>> investigation. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or
>> investigation; an assumption. The antecedent of a conditional statement. A
> theory
>> is when a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or
>> phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted
>> and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. The federal
>> constitution was written for the people and people make up each State, in turn,
>> which makes up the federal government, for you to say that the State can over
>> ride it is absurd by far, and anyone who believes that is delusional. If what
>> your saying was true, then if all states decided to throw out the federal
>> constitution, the people would loose all their god given rights, and their would
>> be no federal Constitution. It was created to protect the people, it's people
>> like you that try to destroy those rights by miss understanding the concept, and
>> any grade school kid knows that the constitution is to protect the people of the
>> United States citizens. I respect your opinion though. Here’s my question to
> you,
>> if the States can easily as snap their fingers to get rid of the Federal
>> constitution, then why have it? Second whom was it written to protect, if it was
>> not intended to protect the citizens of the United States? I just want to know
>> your views.
>>
>> On 9/29/07, friend of NRA wrote:
>>> On 9/29/07, Tracy wrote in part:
>>>
>>>> I am no expert by far, but State government is under the control of the
>>>> Federal government.
>>>
>>> You have described a form of government common around the world but exactly
>>> the form of government that the framers of the Constitution feared. They
>>> recognized the need for a form of central government but did not want to vest
>>> unlimited power in that central government. The system of government they
>>> created is commonly called "federalism."
>>>
>>> The concept of federalism is contained in the 11th Amendment. The 11th
>>> Amendment says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the
>>> Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
>>> respectively, or to the people."
>>>
>>> The 2nd Amendment is a limitation only on the power of the federal government,
>>> it does not apply to state governments. Therefore; state governments retain
>>> the power of gun control to themselves. If the 2nd Amendment ended with the
>>> phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
>>> by the [states or federal government]" it would apply to the states.
>>>
>>> The Illinois Constitution is controlling in the matter of gun control and if
>>> the Ill. FOID card violates the Ill. Constitution you should pursue your case
>>> under that theory. However, if you go around saying that the FOID card
>>> violates your 2nd Amendment rights under the US Constitution you will be
>>> incorrect and appear quite uninformed.
>>>
>>> I would hope that any first year law student would have an understanding of
>>> federalism.
>>>