Re: Denied Illinois FOID card

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I don't know! What do it mean?
Who says theory is a fact!! It comes from the greek ... meaning the all seeing eye that
only guesses the future. The oracle. Hence the the ory [o]< do you see that?!

On 10/01/07, Ozarks Lawyer wrote:
> Would explaining the concept of dual sovereignty be beyond the scope of this board?
> On some level, I'm sure it has to do with tip pooling, Post-It Note addictions,
> emancipated youths, and getting the record expunged for a wrongful car repossession.
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> On 10/01/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
>> You, too, could have taken advantage of your constitutional right to a free public
>> education. Had you done so, you might have read those couple of chapters in the
>> history textbooks about the Civil War (or the War Between the States as it is
>> sometimes called). If memory serves, that was a little thing that occurred when a
>> group of states tried to remove themselves from the federal constitution.
>>
>> On 10/01/07, Tracy wrote:
>>> I am not trying to be a smart ass, but a theory is a proven fact, a theory is
>>> when testing research have been done over and over to verify it. You mean to say
>>> hypothesis, rather then theory. A hypothesis is a tentative explanation for an
>>> observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further
>>> investigation. Something taken to be true for the purpose of argument or
>>> investigation; an assumption. The antecedent of a conditional statement. A
>> theory
>>> is when a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or
>>> phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted
>>> and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. The federal
>>> constitution was written for the people and people make up each State, in turn,
>>> which makes up the federal government, for you to say that the State can over
>>> ride it is absurd by far, and anyone who believes that is delusional. If what
>>> your saying was true, then if all states decided to throw out the federal
>>> constitution, the people would loose all their god given rights, and their would
>>> be no federal Constitution. It was created to protect the people, it's people
>>> like you that try to destroy those rights by miss understanding the concept, and
>>> any grade school kid knows that the constitution is to protect the people of the
>>> United States citizens. I respect your opinion though. Here’s my question to
>> you,
>>> if the States can easily as snap their fingers to get rid of the Federal
>>> constitution, then why have it? Second whom was it written to protect, if it was
>>> not intended to protect the citizens of the United States? I just want to know
>>> your views.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/07, friend of NRA wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/07, Tracy wrote in part:
>>>>
>>>>> I am no expert by far, but State government is under the control of the
>>>>> Federal government.
>>>>
>>>> You have described a form of government common around the world but exactly
>>>> the form of government that the framers of the Constitution feared. They
>>>> recognized the need for a form of central government but did not want to vest
>>>> unlimited power in that central government. The system of government they
>>>> created is commonly called "federalism."
>>>>
>>>> The concept of federalism is contained in the 11th Amendment. The 11th
>>>> Amendment says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the
>>>> Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
>>>> respectively, or to the people."
>>>>
>>>> The 2nd Amendment is a limitation only on the power of the federal government,
>>>> it does not apply to state governments. Therefore; state governments retain
>>>> the power of gun control to themselves. If the 2nd Amendment ended with the
>>>> phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
>>>> by the [states or federal government]" it would apply to the states.
>>>>
>>>> The Illinois Constitution is controlling in the matter of gun control and if
>>>> the Ill. FOID card violates the Ill. Constitution you should pursue your case
>>>> under that theory. However, if you go around saying that the FOID card
>>>> violates your 2nd Amendment rights under the US Constitution you will be
>>>> incorrect and appear quite uninformed.
>>>>
>>>> I would hope that any first year law student would have an understanding of
>>>> federalism.
>>>>