Re: Denied Illinois FOID card
Posted by friend of NRA on 9/28/07
> On 9/28/07, DILLER wrote in part: > Foid cards in my opinion violate the United States Constitution. You > have a right to bare arms and shall not be infringed; it says nothing > about firearm identification cards, or any other requirement. Stop them > from dismantling the Constitution. The applicability of the Second Amendment is often misunderstood. Its guarantee applies only to the federal government not to state government. Over the years, much of the US Constitution has been made applicable to the states by the terms of the 14th Amendment, but still, only certain parts of it apply to states and the 2nd Amendment is one part that does not apply to states. For example, the 5th Amendment is now applicable to the states except for the part where it says "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury[.]" That part does not apply to the states. The 5th Amendment has been applied to states piece by piece over the last 150 years. Believe it or not, it was not until 1969 that the double jeopardy clause of the 5th Amendment was applied to state trials by the decision in Benton v. Maryland, 395 U.S. 784, and the self- incrimination clause did not apply to state trials until the early twentieth century. Likewise, the first sentence of the 7th Amendment says "In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved[.]" That does not apply to states. As I said above; none of the 2nd Amendment applies to states. Don't confuse your federal US constitutional rights with your rights under state law regarding firearms. I make no judgment about your opinion on gun control but want to point out that the US Constitution does not forbid any type of gun control by the states, thus, the Illinois FOID card can not be a violation of the 2nd Amendment. The framers of the Constitution were concerned that the federal government not take away the right to bear arms from the citizen militias created by the states. They were not at all concerned at the time the 2nd Amendment was written about state gun control. It is unlikely that the Supreme Court will ever hold that the 2nd Amendment applies to states.
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- Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/17/06, by Denied A Gun.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/18/06, by Res Ispa Loquitur.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/31/07, by Joe.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/13/07, by NRA MAN.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/22/07, by lj.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/22/07, by lj.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/02/07, by Guy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/04/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Lisa.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/06/07, by Lisa.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/07, by Ron.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/19/07, by Aaron Berger.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by Hogan.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/22/07, by JR.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/23/07, by PA One other thing.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/27/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 8/27/07, by Jack.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/06/07, by Tim.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/26/07, by Hogan.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/28/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card Oz, 9/29/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/29/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by one last thought.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Diller.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/01/07, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card OZ, 10/01/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/02/07, by Treat with Respect.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/02/07, by Razzle.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by v.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/05/07, by who cares.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/25/07, by butwhat.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/25/07, by butwhat.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/30/07, by Hawk.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/30/07, by -.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 11/28/07, by Trying to Help.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 12/17/07, by Pac 57.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by Hogan 21.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/09/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/12/08, by FOID CARD.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/14/08, by --.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/15/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Captain America.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/16/08, by Res Ipsa Loquitur.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 1/17/08, by v.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/21/08, by RIGHT TO ARMS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/21/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/22/08, by NIU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/26/08, by Curmudgeon.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/27/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns 2.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns.
- Re: The Constitution -- love it or change it, 2/28/08, by guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by Guns.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/29/08, by Guns.
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/01/08, by Illinois.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/01/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/12/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/12/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/13/08, by ASTRO.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/14/08, by ILLINOIS.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/15/08, by dser.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/17/08, by lrw.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/17/08, by Kent.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/18/08, by FOID.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 3/19/08, by Concerned.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/01/08, by Rudy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by Lisa .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/02/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 4/19/08, by Lisa has a point.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/18/08, by Larry .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/25/08, by Happy.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/06/08, by Razor.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by Expert.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 6/16/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/27/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by Jacky.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/28/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL . .
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- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/29/08, by FOID SYSTEM IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/29/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by Greg Holz.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by friend of NRA.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paula.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/07/08, by paul a..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/08/08, by Terrence not Terence.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/08, by Jerome Brown.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/09/08, by Jerome Brown.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by Steven Pitts.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/11/08, by by paul a. to steven pitts.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by nope.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by DILLER.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/12/08, by Steven P.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/13/08, by Solo.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/13/08, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/14/08, by Solo.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 7/17/08, by Net.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/09/08, by Sue .
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/09/08, by --.
- Re: DEPUTY JIM HITE COLES COUNTY ILLINOIS, 8/14/08, by Student.
- Re: likely to be unrightously Denied Illinois FOID card, 10/27/08, by J.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by Take Them to Court now.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by NO DETC for ALU , NOT NOW - MAYBE LATER ?.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by FACTS AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by ALU and CA Southern JUne 2009 accredition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law NOT to Recieve DETC Accreditation NOW, 2/04/09, by Wait for DETC Before Enrolling at ALU.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/04/09, by WSCL no good.
- Re: WCSL, 2/04/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW.
- Re: ALU School of Law - Forget About DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by Ultra Expensive -Please Lower Tuition.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: ALU School of Law - DETC Accreditation, 2/05/09, by ALU..........wish them well.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by TGA thank god already.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by Facts AND THE LAW .
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card for stupidity, 2/05/09, by Lawyer.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 2/05/09, by --.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 6/16/09, by Retired Lawyer cs..
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 9/21/09, by Randy.
- Re: Denied Illinois FOID card, 5/21/10, by corey s..
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