Re: Seven die in Chicago warehouse shooting

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Okay! We'll dissect this a piece at a time so I can show
everyone how this anti-2nd Ammendment propaganda works. Pay
attention class!

The first thing to notice is that the story comes from
Chicago and CNN, both notorious for anti-gun bias, so you
can be reasonably sure that it's not the whole story and is
written with an anti-gun spin no matter what.

The story says Mr. Tapia was fired from the warehouse six
months prior to the incident....SIX MONTHS! It sure took him
a long time to make up his mind and get a firearm! The
logical conclusion: The shooting had nothing to do with his
being fired. It just makes the story sound better and they
don't have to look any further for a motive.

He was killed in the "last" of three gun battles with
police...DUH! I thought maybe he might have gotten killed in
the first one and fought the other two posthumously! Again,
it makes it sound better and diverts attention from the real
question: Why were there 3 battles with the heavily armed,
assault weapon bearing, SWAT trained and numerically
superior Chicago Police Dept? They should have pegged him in
the first one! If our military did that bad we'd be in real
trouble! I don't think much of their Hostage Barricade and
Terrorist Team, being held off twice by an individual with
a .380 'pop gun'. For those of you who don't know, the
Walther .380 (erroneously described as a 'PP' to make it
sound like it's larger battle-proven brethren, the PPKs)is a
small 'pocket' pistol with a low-powered cartridge. It's
only good point is that it is very concealable. None would
purposly go into combat with this caliber if they had a
choice of almost anything else! Their original purpose was
as a last-ditch back-up weapon, and was a favorite of SS and
KGB assasins due to it's low noise, light weight and
adaptability for silencers.

The article does not speculate about the possible outcome
had even one of the employees been armed. Reason: There
would not have been 7 victims to report about...only one
dead disgruntled ex-employee, and would've called into
question Chicago's total ban on handguns to all but police,
who were stood off by a lone man with a wimpy little pistol.

The article says that deceased Mr. Tapia has been arrested
12 times. Hello!....an arrest is not a conviction and unless
you are under a current indictment would not keep you from
buying a gun. That's the law...innocent until proven guily,
unless Mr.Goldstein is advocating changing that as well.
Arrested 12 TIMES!...and no convictions? Doesn't say much
for Chicago's Justice System, does it?

And where does it say that Mr. Tapia even purchased the
pistol in the first place? Answer: Because he probably stole
it, maybe even from a police officer's home or car. No law
would ever prevent someone from stealing a gun. That's what
criminals do...break laws, right?

The 'easy access" to a gun that Police Superintendent Cline
spoke of is not defined. How was this .380 acquired? Why are
we not told? Answer: Because it would demonstrate the total
failure of Chicago's super-strict gun control policies, and
the ineptitude with which the entire incident was handled by
the Chicago Police.

Mr. Golsteins comments are equally distorted.
Mr. Tapia was not "exercising his Constitutional Right
to have a gun" since it is illegal to commit murder, with or
without a firearm. Also, it is not stated as to whether Mr.
Tapias even had the gun legally in the first place. There is
room for much doubt.

The right of the victims to live were "sacrificed" by
Chicago's paranoid anti-gun Administration that made sure
that Mr. Tapia would be attacking unarmed, defensless people.

Repeal of the 2nd Ammendment would not have stopped Mr.
Tapia from his rampage, since it was already illegal under
our current laws. How about we just repeal the 1st
Ammendment instead, and then you won't have to read about
it? Of course, you might not get to be Jewish anymore should
you ever return here, but oh well...it's a flawed document,
right?

The Constitution, in it's entirety is ABSOLUTE! It has to be
or it means nothing! (anything after the 10th Ammendment is
an addendum and not part of the original Constitution). The
2nd Ammendment was put in to ensure the continuity of the
other nine, as well as the rest of the Constitution, make
invasion of America a foolhardy consideration, and to keep
our government and ourselves honest.

Beware of those who freely enjoy the portions of freedom
they use while advocating the removal of yours!

"Those who would trade any of their freedoms for any measure
of security deserve neither"
John Hancock---signitory:
Constitution of the
United States Of America

On 8/28/03, Shmuel Goldstein wrote:
> A post from today's CNN (edited)
> -------------------------------------------------
> Thursday, August 28, 2003 Posted: 4:10 AM EDT (0810 GMT)
>
> CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Salvador Tapia returned to the
> Windy City Core Supply warehouse where he had been fired
> six months ago and killed six of his former co-workers,
> police said Wednesday.
> Tapia, 36, was then shot and killed in the last of three
> gunbattles with police, said acting police superintendent
> Phil Cline.
> Police tried to enter the building, but Tapia came out and
> fired three shots at the officers, Cline said. Fire was
> returned. One minute later, Tapia came back outside the
> building and shot at police again.
> Finally, after considering the injured victims inside, the
> Hostage Barricade and Terrorist team was "ordered to make
> an assault on the building."
> Inside, authorities maneuvered through a maze of 55-gallon
> drums, crates and steel containers filled with engine
> parts. They found Tapia hiding behind the stored parts.
> "He got up. He had the gun. They ordered him to drop the
> gun. He refused to drop the gun, and that's when the
> officer shot him," Cline said.
> Tapia was found with a Walther PP .380-caliber
> semiautomatic pistol and at least one extra clip of
> ammunition.
> Four of the victims died at the scene. The other three,
> including the gunman, were taken to hospitals, police
> spokesman David Bayless said.
> According to the AP, the victims were identified as
> business co-owner Alan Weiner, 50; his brother, Howard
> Weiner, 59, the other co-owner; Howard Weiner's son,
Daniel
> Weiner, 30; Calvin Ramsey, 44; Robert Taylor, 53; and Juan
> Valles, 34.
> Tapia has been arrested 12 times, Cline said. He has an
> arrest record dating back to 1989, including counts of
> domestic battery, gun violations, aggravated assault and
> driving while intoxicated.
> "The problem here is easy access to a firearm," Cline told
> reporters. "Here is someone who never should have had a
gun
> that had a gun."
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> I do not have to make up scenarios dealing with baseball
> bats, knives, spoons, and tofu.
>
> We don't have to look at Nazi Germany, the USSR, or any
> other either former, or hypothetical countries.
>
> The above story is real, it is from today, and it happened
> in the good 'ole United States of America, alas.
>
> Salvador Tapia excercised his 2nd amendment right to bear
> arms, and so he was able to purchase his gun, in spite of
> the fact that he was arrested 12 times (!), with a record
> going back 14 years.
>
> The rights of the victims to live were sacrificed on the
> altar of the 2nd Amendment god.
>
> Repeal of the 2nd amendment would not have prevented the
> police from having their weapons, but we must ask
ourselves
> if it would have prevent Salvador Tapia from having his?
>
> The US Constitution is not an absolute, divinely ordained
> set of morals. It is a document made by man, and as such
is
> fallible. Fortunately, man can recognize a mistake, and
fix
> it.
>
> Let's fix the mistake.
>
> Repeal the 2nd Amendment now, before more people die.
>

Re: Seven die in Chicago warehouse shooting, 10/17/05, by Dale.

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