Re: Seven die in Chicago warehouse shooting

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On 8/28/03, Shmuel Goldstein wrote:
> A post from today's CNN (edited)
> -------------------------------------------------
> Thursday, August 28, 2003 Posted: 4:10 AM EDT (0810 GMT)
>
> CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Salvador Tapia returned to the
> Windy City Core Supply warehouse where he had been fired
> six months ago and killed six of his former co-workers,
> police said Wednesday.
> Tapia, 36, was then shot and killed in the last of three
> gunbattles with police, said acting police superintendent
> Phil Cline.
> Police tried to enter the building, but Tapia came out and
> fired three shots at the officers, Cline said. Fire was
> returned. One minute later, Tapia came back outside the
> building and shot at police again.
> Finally, after considering the injured victims inside, the
> Hostage Barricade and Terrorist team was "ordered to make
> an assault on the building."
> Inside, authorities maneuvered through a maze of 55-gallon
> drums, crates and steel containers filled with engine
> parts. They found Tapia hiding behind the stored parts.
> "He got up. He had the gun. They ordered him to drop the
> gun. He refused to drop the gun, and that's when the
> officer shot him," Cline said.
> Tapia was found with a Walther PP .380-caliber
> semiautomatic pistol and at least one extra clip of
> ammunition.
> Four of the victims died at the scene. The other three,
> including the gunman, were taken to hospitals, police
> spokesman David Bayless said.
> According to the AP, the victims were identified as
> business co-owner Alan Weiner, 50; his brother, Howard
> Weiner, 59, the other co-owner; Howard Weiner's son, Daniel
> Weiner, 30; Calvin Ramsey, 44; Robert Taylor, 53; and Juan
> Valles, 34.
> Tapia has been arrested 12 times, Cline said. He has an
> arrest record dating back to 1989, including counts of
> domestic battery, gun violations, aggravated assault and
> driving while intoxicated.
> "The problem here is easy access to a firearm," Cline told
> reporters. "Here is someone who never should have had a gun
> that had a gun."
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> I do not have to make up scenarios dealing with baseball
> bats, knives, spoons, and tofu.
>
> We don't have to look at Nazi Germany, the USSR, or any
> other either former, or hypothetical countries.
>
> The above story is real, it is from today, and it happened
> in the good 'ole United States of America, alas.
>
> Salvador Tapia excercised his 2nd amendment right to bear
> arms, and so he was able to purchase his gun, in spite of
> the fact that he was arrested 12 times (!), with a record
> going back 14 years.
>
> The rights of the victims to live were sacrificed on the
> altar of the 2nd Amendment god.
>
> Repeal of the 2nd amendment would not have prevented the
> police from having their weapons, but we must ask ourselves
> if it would have prevent Salvador Tapia from having his?
>
> The US Constitution is not an absolute, divinely ordained
> set of morals. It is a document made by man, and as such is
> fallible. Fortunately, man can recognize a mistake, and fix
> it.
>
> Let's fix the mistake.
>
> Repeal the 2nd Amendment now, before more people die.
>

That has got to be the best case of slippery slope
fallacious reasoning I have ever seen. I am not given to
calling names, but you truly are a doofuss.

Felons care not about the Brady Bill, Gun Control Laws,
Police or Jail. However, it is a known fact that armed felons
are fearful and even deterred by citizens packing guns.
Moreover, that story NEVER, NEVER stated the source from
where he obtained his firearm. Truth is, laws only regulate
the law abiding. But, like the old saying goes, "you say
Potato, I say Pahtahto, But, it is your right to want to
repeal the 2nd Amendment. And, you can want all you want. In
1998 only about 8-10 states had right to carry laws. Now! yes
Now! 35 states have CCW laws and these laws enable citizens
to carry concealed weapons! Now here's a bit or reasoning: It
appears that as time passes, gun control seems to be going in
a direction, CONTRARY to your reasoning(or lack thereof).
Have fun you crumpet-eating liberal!

Re: Seven die in Chicago warehouse shooting, 10/17/05, by Dale.

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