Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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You are full of it.

First, read my post. I NEVER said that I made a six figure income doing it. Pay attention to detail (you know, words!?!)
For someone who represents others in court, you sure don't pay attention to written detail...

I have only had about a dozen cases, and won most of them. Part time. Off of one classified ad in the LA times (paid
about $500 for one month for all of the areas). Made nearly $25K for a total of less than a hundred hours of work
(total). Thats the truth. Believe it. Honestly, when I pass the bar, I will probably do SS law if I don't move back to
California. However, any monkey who can read the regs and send people to the right doctors can do it. If you are doing it
full time, and can't get fifty winning cases a year at an average of $2000 a piece, then YOU really don't know anything
about it. The only reason I couldn't do it anymore is because I took a job with the federal government, and representing
clients would be a conflict of interest (and against the law).

If wasn't simultaneously working full time as a nurse, in my third year at WCSL (studying for the bar), finishing my
second masters degree in education/teaching credential at Western Governor's University (8 units/term), producing a set
of DVD's for the CLEP/AP History/Government Exams (I got an okay from the College Board to do this) and writing a book
(while finding time somehow in between to see my wife and kids), then I could make six figures a year doing monkey
business. I will make a lot more when I pass the bar. Eat my dust. (I am 27, by the way, how old are you???)

I am growing tired of people being naysayers and putting other people down on this board. Can we please start getting to
a proactive discussion of distance learning law schools and stop this petty crap?

CP

On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
> Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
> do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
> enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
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> 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
> in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
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> Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
> very real legal consequences to the client.
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> Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
> order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
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> SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
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> There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
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> There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
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> These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
> administrative rulings, and federal case law.
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> SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
> competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
> hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
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> Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
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> Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
> the poop :)
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> Back to practicing law now....
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> On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
>> Here we go again.
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>> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
>> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
>> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
>> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
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>> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
>> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
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>> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
>> law".
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>> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
>> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
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>> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
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>>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
>>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
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>>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
>>>
>>> CP
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>>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
>>>>> Guys & Gals,
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>>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
>>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
>>>>> $150k per year.
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>>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.