Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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Clown Prince........and you wannabe
be an attorney at law when you grow up, lol.

Do this old, infirmed, disabled people you
represent as a "represenstative" know you
might be stretched too thin and they might
be better off with an ABA attorney at law
who's only freakin job is their day job?

On 10/01/08, Crown Prince wrote:
> You are full of it.
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> First, read my post. I NEVER said that I made a six figure income doing it. Pay attention to detail (you know, words!?!)
> For someone who represents others in court, you sure don't pay attention to written detail...
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> I have only had about a dozen cases, and won most of them. Part time. Off of one classified ad in the LA times (paid
> about $500 for one month for all of the areas). Made nearly $25K for a total of less than a hundred hours of work
> (total). Thats the truth. Believe it. Honestly, when I pass the bar, I will probably do SS law if I don't move back to
> California. However, any monkey who can read the regs and send people to the right doctors can do it. If you are doing it
> full time, and can't get fifty winning cases a year at an average of $2000 a piece, then YOU really don't know anything
> about it. The only reason I couldn't do it anymore is because I took a job with the federal government, and representing
> clients would be a conflict of interest (and against the law).
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> If wasn't simultaneously working full time as a nurse, in my third year at WCSL (studying for the bar), finishing my
> second masters degree in education/teaching credential at Western Governor's University (8 units/term), producing a set
> of DVD's for the CLEP/AP History/Government Exams (I got an okay from the College Board to do this) and writing a book
> (while finding time somehow in between to see my wife and kids), then I could make six figures a year doing monkey
> business. I will make a lot more when I pass the bar. Eat my dust. (I am 27, by the way, how old are you???)
>
> I am growing tired of people being naysayers and putting other people down on this board. Can we please start getting to
> a proactive discussion of distance learning law schools and stop this petty crap?
>
> CP
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> On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
>> Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
>> do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
>> enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
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>> 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
>> in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
>>
>> Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
>> very real legal consequences to the client.
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>> Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
>> order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
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>> SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
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>> There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
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>> There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
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>> These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
>> administrative rulings, and federal case law.
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>> SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
>> competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
>> hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
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>> Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
>>
>> Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
>> the poop :)
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>> Back to practicing law now....
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>> On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
>>> Here we go again.
>>>
>>> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
>>> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
>>> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
>>> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
>>> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
>>>
>>> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
>>> law".
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>>> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
>>> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
>>>
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>>> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
>>>>
>>>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
>>>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
>>>>
>>>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
>>>>
>>>> CP
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>>>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
>>>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
>>>>>> Guys & Gals,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
>>>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
>>>>>> $150k per year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.