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Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission
Posted by twallstbroker on 9/12/08

    Enough about the "ABA JD" vs. "Distance Learning Degree" debate

    I'm tired reading the rants and tirades on both sides.

    Neither side will capitulate....that's a given truth.

    The "ABA JD" route is not the only route to a career in the field of law. It doesn't matter what
    the "superior" degree is educationally or if some dimwit wants to have a useless debate on TV on the
    merits of what a purported legal education should be. It only matters what the State Committee of Bar
    Examiners allows in the State of California. They set the educational requirements ......PERIOD.

    If an ABA JD graduate is jealous that a person with can further themselves with an either an online,
    distance learning or correspondence degree in law, then so be it. Let them eat cake! It isn't even
    worth debating what a 3rd person "feels" or "wants". Those are phantom issues. The State of California
    has approved distance learning and that is the end of the argument....PERIOD.

    P.S. If you don't believe me...go to the State Bar website & see 14 different online registered schools
    authorized to provide legal education in the State of CA.

    I make no comparisons on the quality of an ABA vs. Distance learning degree. There is no debate. Anyone
    that possibly could choose & attend an ABA school should go there. An ABA JD is a more sound investment
    and will no doubt provide a better legal education than distance learning (as it should be).....PERIOD.

    P.S. You have to get something for dropping six figures on it!

    However, that is not an option for all students of law & nor should there be a monopoly to discourage
    otherwise. If a person decides to pursue an available, cost-efficient, legal method to enter & practice
    the field of law than so be it.....PERIOD.

    Let's move on to bigger and better issues

    Non-ABA JD Graduate
    twallstbroker

    (FYLSE passed 1st attempt, MPRE passed 1st attempt, Bar Candidate 09)

    On 9/12/08, Go ABA Go wrote:
    > Depends on that ABA school you go to.
    >
    > ABA is still by far the superior way
    > to go. Regionally accredited, ABA accredited,
    > accepted as gold standard in all 50 states.
    >
    > You can go to medical school in carribean
    > or some run down school in 3rd world country
    > or you can go to U.S. medical school which
    > is gold standard.
    >
    > Sorry I support the gold standard.....cant
    > go wrong accepted everywhere.
    >
    > On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >> That depends. If you have no wife/husband or kids, live close to an ABA law school, and like to
    >> be in six figure debt by the time you graduate, go for it.
    >>
    >> For other intelligent people, CA DL law schools are an option.
    >>
    >> Take it from someone who spent six weeks at a tier 3 ABA---they are not all they cracked up to be.
    >> My crim law professor opined about how serial rapists should not be put to death. I disagreed, and
    >> didn't want to listen to that hogwash. You can have the ABA and their professors, who according to
    >> www.lawschool.com, support Obama 20 to 1. I am not in a race to be a community organizer. Thanks
    >> anyway.
    >>
    >>
    >> Crown Prince
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/12/08, GO ABA GO wrote:
    >>> There are a number of ABA law schools
    >>> with part time evening programs.
    >>>
    >>> ABA is best choice, the degree is regionally accredited
    >>> in most cases, and it is ABA accredited J.D. therefore can be
    >>> use automatically in all 50 states.
    >>>
    >>> Some California ABA part time programs are priced reasonable.
    >>>
    >>> On 9/12/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>> Your key words being "probably" and "appears." The only way to know is to write and ask the bar.
    >>>>
    >>>> Truthfully, its better and cheaper to just take the CA DL route at West Coast or Concord or
    >>>> anywhere else, depending on what you want and what you can afford. However, to each their own, I
    >>>> always say.
    >>>>
    >>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/11/08, steve wrote:
    >>>>> Hi Crown Prince,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If one has an advanced graduate route UK LLB, the CA Bar will probably require the candidate
    >>>>> to study at an ABA or CA accredited law school for two years in order to qualify for the CA
    >>>>> bar exam.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/05/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>> Well said. There is no "easy" way. There is only one loophole that will allow you to finish
    >>>>>> faster than the four year correspondence law route in California (3, if timed correctly).
    >>>>>> Though I have certainly not seen anyone do this, from the California rules it appears that
    >>>>>> you can get an LLB from London External under the advanced graduate route. The LLB will then
    >>>>>> take you two years. You can then get an LLM from St. Thomas or another school which offers
    >>>>> an
    >>>>>> ABA LLM. Anything short of this will not work. In fact, I am not even sure it will work. I
    >>>>> do
    >>>>>> not reccomend this for a few reasons. First of all, the external LLB does not cover all of
    >>>>>> the California subjects. Second, I don't know anyone who has done this. Maybe I am wrong in
    >>>>>> my idea, and welcome someone to tell me I am wrong.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I agree with the previous poster that unless he/she/whatever they are can produce a written,
    >>>>>> signed document from someone of authority at the D.C. bar, then this is really all just
    >>>>>> wasted time.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> There is no easy way to become a lawyer. There are non-traditional ways, but no easy ways.
    >>>>>> Take it from someone who has faced an uphill battle: it is very possible to become a lawyer,
    >>>>>> but it is no easy feat (I am saying that, and I am only halfway there).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If something seems too good to be true...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/05/08, -- wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 9/05/08, steve wrote:
    >>>>>>>> The followings were the question I asked DC and the response I got:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Subject: Non-ABA-approved law school J.D. + 26 semester hours in tested subjects from
    >>>>>>>> ABA-approved law school
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> To Whom It May Concern:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I understand that the above combination can qualify one to sit for the DC Bar. And
    >>>>>>>> under Rule 46 (b) (8) (iii), it seems like the tax law subjects are now qualify.
    >>>>>>>> So let's say I have a J.D. from a non-ABA law school. And if I complete a ABA-approved
    >>>>>>>> LL.M. in taxation and only with 26 units of tax classes, can I qualify to sit for the DC
    >>>>>>>> Bar?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> No. You need to have 26 semester hours in tested subjects as provided for by our
    >>>>>>>> Rules. While a basic tax course will likely be accepted, the bar examination does not
    >>>>>>>> test on advanced tax matters. You need to have a combination of subjects that are
    >>>>>>>> tested in the examination.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The DC 26 credit policy exception is primarily aimed at ABA students that completed their
    >>>>>>> first year then dropped out. It is a very generous second chance for them to finish at a
    >>>>>>> non-ABA school and sit for the bar in DC. Unfortunately, awhile back a few misguided
    >>>>>>> posters on this board tried to turn it into a loop-hole for DL graduates. It is exactly
    >>>>>>> what the response says it is. Thank you for writing the DC bar and sharing the above
    >>>>>>> response.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Like it or not -- except for CA there is no way around an ABA JD for first time bar exam
    >>>>>>> applicants.

     
     

 
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