Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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chapman university law school
does not accept correspondence J.D. graduates
unless already admitted to the bar.

On 9/28/08, LD wrote:
> Gentlemen, its been awhile. Hope all of you are well. I have posted my personal situation on
> here awhile ago, and that I do work and only have time for an Online Law Degree or no other
> chance, and would like to practice as an immigration lawyer in FL. the law school bible guy
> peter loughlin did it, passed the ca bar, and immed opened a FL immigration practice where it
> must state""this is limited to immigration law only"". You can practice federally in almost any
> state immed once you pass the CA Bar. I have spoken to the guy who wrote that book, but I am
> not an author, I was only trying to help some people as it helped me. Nor, am I writing under
> aliases in here. In Regards to DC, you can get a non aba JD and go to an in person LLM(not
> online) and as long as they offer some electives from the JD program, your ok. What the guy
> below posts about DC saying some tax is ok but you need to have a mixture is correct. THE
> EXCEPTED CLASSES ARE ON 1 OF THE DC BAR PAGES--go check it out. The Director also states that
> you can earn your 26 courses from the LLM programs, and some can be from online. Their are a
> ton of new ABA Law schools that have new ABA programs now, including NYU and Vermont along with
> many others like loyola chicago, stetson, western new england, UCONN, cooley, Thomas Jefferson,
> Chapman, ---completely online--and many electives are offered, some qualify for DC> But, DC
> lists all bar subjects they accept, they are listed in that book as well, and they dont have to
> be 1L courses. DC also accepts schools like Novus, besides the CA Schools. So what the Crown
> Prince posted about 3 years is accurate. If you went to a school like Novus which offers a 2
> year JD, and then went to an in person LLM for 1 year and took the courses that DC Accepts, you
> can sit for the DC bar, and avoid the CA baby bar, and once you pass DC, you are eligible to
> practice federally in every state. OR sit for more bar exams inc CA. I have personally spoken
> to U of Miami, St thOmas in Miami(in person LLMS), 1 they accept Non ABA JD Students, and 2.
> allow you to take electives from their JD programs. Also, many of those online LLM have some
> courses that will count towards the DC requirement of 26. As I have posted before, and now I
> see someone else called DC , Washington DC Bar allows LLM credits to count towards the 26,
> they are now listed on 1 of their bar site pages, and you can take some online. Those are
> facts---Someone told me that my name was thrown around on here. I am not trying to pass false
> info, mislead any of you guys--I like all of you and am not out to bash anyone. In regards to
> what I posted on the state of washington last year, they did pass a new law that states anyone
> who passed the CA bar with a non aba jd, can sit for their bar. That is a fact, and you can
> contact wash state. Mary is the Director, not some lady answering the phone, and she said they
> arent changing in on the bar listins as they feel they would be bombarded by non aba jd grads.
> You can also sit for wisconsin, w va, vermont and a few others immed once you pass the CA or DC
> bar. No 2-3 year wait time----THOSE ARE FACTS and posted on ncbex. But, I know some of you
> bashed me on what I posted on DC, but those are facts--you can go to an in person LLM and earn
> the 26 credits to sit for DC---technically you can do it while your in your JD program, and if
> you went to Novus, you can sit for DC in 2 years. That is another fact, might not pass, but
> you can sit in 2 years.
> SO, as the other gentlemen in another post listed DC's #, They do accept LLM courses, and they
> now list them on 1 of their pages, ----go check it out
> So it will cost you more money as you would need the ABA LLM expense, but it can be done. I
> had mentioned to you guys I wasnt going to post on here since many bashed me, but I was only
> speaking from what I was told Never did I make any thing up. I had called DC and spoke to the
> director on the phone and in email, and he told me LLM courses are ok, and spoke to the st of
> washington, where she told me you can sit immed for wash state bar Once you pass CA with a non
> aba jd. That is another fact--------------
>
>
> On 9/05/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>> Well said. There is no "easy" way. There is only one loophole that will allow you to finish
>> faster than the four year correspondence law route in California (3, if timed correctly).
>> Though I have certainly not seen anyone do this, from the California rules it appears that
>> you can get an LLB from London External under the advanced graduate route. The LLB will then
>> take you two years. You can then get an LLM from St. Thomas or another school which offers an
>> ABA LLM. Anything short of this will not work. In fact, I am not even sure it will work. I do
>> not reccomend this for a few reasons. First of all, the external LLB does not cover all of
>> the California subjects. Second, I don't know anyone who has done this. Maybe I am wrong in
>> my idea, and welcome someone to tell me I am wrong.
>>
>> I agree with the previous poster that unless he/she/whatever they are can produce a written,
>> signed document from someone of authority at the D.C. bar, then this is really all just
>> wasted time.
>>
>> There is no easy way to become a lawyer. There are non-traditional ways, but no easy ways.
>> Take it from someone who has faced an uphill battle: it is very possible to become a lawyer,
>> but it is no easy feat (I am saying that, and I am only halfway there).
>>
>> If something seems too good to be true...
>>
>> Crown Prince
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>> On 9/05/08, -- wrote:
>>> On 9/05/08, steve wrote:
>>>> The followings were the question I asked DC and the response I got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Non-ABA-approved law school J.D. + 26 semester hours in tested subjects from
>>>> ABA-approved law school
>>>>
>>>> To Whom It May Concern:
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the above combination can qualify one to sit for the DC Bar. And
>>>> under Rule 46 (b) (8) (iii), it seems like the tax law subjects are now qualify.
>>>> So let's say I have a J.D. from a non-ABA law school. And if I complete a ABA-approved
>>>> LL.M. in taxation and only with 26 units of tax classes, can I qualify to sit for the DC
>>>> Bar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. You need to have 26 semester hours in tested subjects as provided for by our
>>>> Rules. While a basic tax course will likely be accepted, the bar examination does not
>>>> test on advanced tax matters. You need to have a combination of subjects that are
>>>> tested in the examination.
>>>
>>> The DC 26 credit policy exception is primarily aimed at ABA students that completed their
>>> first year then dropped out. It is a very generous second chance for them to finish at a
>>> non-ABA school and sit for the bar in DC. Unfortunately, awhile back a few misguided
>>> posters on this board tried to turn it into a loop-hole for DL graduates. It is exactly
>>> what the response says it is. Thank you for writing the DC bar and sharing the above
>>> response.
>>>
>>> Like it or not -- except for CA there is no way around an ABA JD for first time bar exam
>>> applicants.