Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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"loyola chicago, stetson, western new england, UCONN, cooley, Thomas Jefferson,
Chapman, ---completely online--and many electives are offered"

YOU NEED TO CHECK ADMISSION STANDARDS AT EACH SCHOOL!

SO FAR ONLY THOMAS JEFFERSON AND ST. THOMAS
ACCEPT NON ABA J.D. GRADUATES THAT ARE NOT
ADMITTED TO THE BAR.

99.9% OF ABA LAW SCHOOLS ONLY ACCEPT
ABA J.D. FOR LL.M DEGREE PROGRAM ADMISSION.

ONLY ABOUT 5 ABA LAW SCHOOLS WILL ACCEPT NON ABA
J.D. GRADUATES "IF ALREADY ADMITTED TO A STATE
BAR".

THE PREVIOUS POSTER WAS MISLEADING AND PROVIDED
FALSE HOPE

On 9/28/08, LD wrote:
> Gentlemen, its been awhile. Hope all of you are well. I have posted my personal situation on
> here awhile ago, and that I do work and only have time for an Online Law Degree or no other
> chance, and would like to practice as an immigration lawyer in FL. the law school bible guy
> peter loughlin did it, passed the ca bar, and immed opened a FL immigration practice where it
> must state""this is limited to immigration law only"". You can practice federally in almost any
> state immed once you pass the CA Bar. I have spoken to the guy who wrote that book, but I am
> not an author, I was only trying to help some people as it helped me. Nor, am I writing under
> aliases in here. In Regards to DC, you can get a non aba JD and go to an in person LLM(not
> online) and as long as they offer some electives from the JD program, your ok. What the guy
> below posts about DC saying some tax is ok but you need to have a mixture is correct. THE
> EXCEPTED CLASSES ARE ON 1 OF THE DC BAR PAGES--go check it out. The Director also states that
> you can earn your 26 courses from the LLM programs, and some can be from online. Their are a
> ton of new ABA Law schools that have new ABA programs now, including NYU and Vermont along with
> many others like loyola chicago, stetson, western new england, UCONN, cooley, Thomas Jefferson,
> Chapman, ---completely online--and many electives are offered, some qualify for DC> But, DC
> lists all bar subjects they accept, they are listed in that book as well, and they dont have to
> be 1L courses. DC also accepts schools like Novus, besides the CA Schools. So what the Crown
> Prince posted about 3 years is accurate. If you went to a school like Novus which offers a 2
> year JD, and then went to an in person LLM for 1 year and took the courses that DC Accepts, you
> can sit for the DC bar, and avoid the CA baby bar, and once you pass DC, you are eligible to
> practice federally in every state. OR sit for more bar exams inc CA. I have personally spoken
> to U of Miami, St thOmas in Miami(in person LLMS), 1 they accept Non ABA JD Students, and 2.
> allow you to take electives from their JD programs. Also, many of those online LLM have some
> courses that will count towards the DC requirement of 26. As I have posted before, and now I
> see someone else called DC , Washington DC Bar allows LLM credits to count towards the 26,
> they are now listed on 1 of their bar site pages, and you can take some online. Those are
> facts---Someone told me that my name was thrown around on here. I am not trying to pass false
> info, mislead any of you guys--I like all of you and am not out to bash anyone. In regards to
> what I posted on the state of washington last year, they did pass a new law that states anyone
> who passed the CA bar with a non aba jd, can sit for their bar. That is a fact, and you can
> contact wash state. Mary is the Director, not some lady answering the phone, and she said they
> arent changing in on the bar listins as they feel they would be bombarded by non aba jd grads.
> You can also sit for wisconsin, w va, vermont and a few others immed once you pass the CA or DC
> bar. No 2-3 year wait time----THOSE ARE FACTS and posted on ncbex. But, I know some of you
> bashed me on what I posted on DC, but those are facts--you can go to an in person LLM and earn
> the 26 credits to sit for DC---technically you can do it while your in your JD program, and if
> you went to Novus, you can sit for DC in 2 years. That is another fact, might not pass, but
> you can sit in 2 years.
> SO, as the other gentlemen in another post listed DC's #, They do accept LLM courses, and they
> now list them on 1 of their pages, ----go check it out
> So it will cost you more money as you would need the ABA LLM expense, but it can be done. I
> had mentioned to you guys I wasnt going to post on here since many bashed me, but I was only
> speaking from what I was told Never did I make any thing up. I had called DC and spoke to the
> director on the phone and in email, and he told me LLM courses are ok, and spoke to the st of
> washington, where she told me you can sit immed for wash state bar Once you pass CA with a non
> aba jd. That is another fact--------------
>
>
> On 9/05/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>> Well said. There is no "easy" way. There is only one loophole that will allow you to finish
>> faster than the four year correspondence law route in California (3, if timed correctly).
>> Though I have certainly not seen anyone do this, from the California rules it appears that
>> you can get an LLB from London External under the advanced graduate route. The LLB will then
>> take you two years. You can then get an LLM from St. Thomas or another school which offers an
>> ABA LLM. Anything short of this will not work. In fact, I am not even sure it will work. I do
>> not reccomend this for a few reasons. First of all, the external LLB does not cover all of
>> the California subjects. Second, I don't know anyone who has done this. Maybe I am wrong in
>> my idea, and welcome someone to tell me I am wrong.
>>
>> I agree with the previous poster that unless he/she/whatever they are can produce a written,
>> signed document from someone of authority at the D.C. bar, then this is really all just
>> wasted time.
>>
>> There is no easy way to become a lawyer. There are non-traditional ways, but no easy ways.
>> Take it from someone who has faced an uphill battle: it is very possible to become a lawyer,
>> but it is no easy feat (I am saying that, and I am only halfway there).
>>
>> If something seems too good to be true...
>>
>> Crown Prince
>>
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>> On 9/05/08, -- wrote:
>>> On 9/05/08, steve wrote:
>>>> The followings were the question I asked DC and the response I got:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Non-ABA-approved law school J.D. + 26 semester hours in tested subjects from
>>>> ABA-approved law school
>>>>
>>>> To Whom It May Concern:
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the above combination can qualify one to sit for the DC Bar. And
>>>> under Rule 46 (b) (8) (iii), it seems like the tax law subjects are now qualify.
>>>> So let's say I have a J.D. from a non-ABA law school. And if I complete a ABA-approved
>>>> LL.M. in taxation and only with 26 units of tax classes, can I qualify to sit for the DC
>>>> Bar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. You need to have 26 semester hours in tested subjects as provided for by our
>>>> Rules. While a basic tax course will likely be accepted, the bar examination does not
>>>> test on advanced tax matters. You need to have a combination of subjects that are
>>>> tested in the examination.
>>>
>>> The DC 26 credit policy exception is primarily aimed at ABA students that completed their
>>> first year then dropped out. It is a very generous second chance for them to finish at a
>>> non-ABA school and sit for the bar in DC. Unfortunately, awhile back a few misguided
>>> posters on this board tried to turn it into a loop-hole for DL graduates. It is exactly
>>> what the response says it is. Thank you for writing the DC bar and sharing the above
>>> response.
>>>
>>> Like it or not -- except for CA there is no way around an ABA JD for first time bar exam
>>> applicants.