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Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission
Posted by Facts Straight on 9/30/08

    "SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law"\

    YOU CAN NOT PRACTICE LAW UNLESS YOU ARE ADMITTED TO THE
    BAR.

    You are a representative and advocate if you are before
    an adminstrative agency but NOT practicing law if you
    are not an attorney at law.

    On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
    > Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
    > do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
    > enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
    >
    > 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
    > in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
    >
    > Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
    > very real legal consequences to the client.
    >
    > Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
    > order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
    >
    > SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
    >
    > There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
    >
    > There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
    >
    > These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
    > administrative rulings, and federal case law.
    >
    > SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
    > competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
    > hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
    >
    > Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
    >
    > Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
    > the poop :)
    >
    > Back to practicing law now....
    >
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    > On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
    >> Here we go again.
    >>
    >> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
    >> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
    >> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
    >> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
    >>
    >> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
    >> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
    >>
    >> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
    >> law".
    >>
    >> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
    >> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
    >>>
    >>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
    >>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
    >>>
    >>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
    >>>
    >>> CP
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
    >>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
    >>>>> Guys & Gals,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
    >>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
    >>>>> $150k per year.
    >>>>
    >>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.

     
     

 
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