Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission

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Why does it make you so angry that you are wrong ???

SSA practice is for sure the practice of law.

Its authorized by federal statute and NO STATE can regulate it.

People practice law all the time without being admitted - if you recall its UPL.

Well, but for the federal statutes allowing non-lawyers to appear in SSA proceedings it would be UPL.

But its AUTHORIZED.

I also PRACTICE LAW in certain of the Indian Supreme Courts.

I handle felony defenses, divorces, custody, and contract matters in front of a judge - just like state court.

But I am ADMITTED by the tribal court even though I'm not yet admitted to the state bar.

My guess is YOU are not an attorney licensed anywhere. On the off chance you are, I suspect you are slaving away at
junior paralegal work angry at your plight so you come on here trying to impress people and tear them down.

A great many of us know your kind.

Now if you will excuse me I have a hearing to go to. For a real client. With a real judge.

And I get paid real money.

On 9/30/08, Facts Straight wrote:
> "SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law"\
>
> YOU CAN NOT PRACTICE LAW UNLESS YOU ARE ADMITTED TO THE
> BAR.
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> You are a representative and advocate if you are before
> an adminstrative agency but NOT practicing law if you
> are not an attorney at law.
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> On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
>> Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
>> do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
>> enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
>>
>> 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
>> in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
>>
>> Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
>> very real legal consequences to the client.
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>> Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
>> order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
>>
>> SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
>>
>> There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
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>> There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
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>> These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
>> administrative rulings, and federal case law.
>>
>> SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
>> competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
>> hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
>>
>> Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
>>
>> Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
>> the poop :)
>>
>> Back to practicing law now....
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>> On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
>>> Here we go again.
>>>
>>> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
>>> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
>>> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
>>> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
>>> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
>>>
>>> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
>>> law".
>>>
>>> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
>>> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
>>>
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>>> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
>>>>
>>>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
>>>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
>>>>
>>>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
>>>>
>>>> CP
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>>>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
>>>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
>>>>>> Guys & Gals,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
>>>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
>>>>>> $150k per year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.