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Re: LL.M degree will not get you bar admission
Posted by Dog Lawyer here on 9/30/08

    I represented my dog in Animal Court, so
    I, too, practice law !

    On 9/30/08, ... wrote:
    > Why does it make you so angry that you are wrong ???
    >
    > SSA practice is for sure the practice of law.
    >
    > Its authorized by federal statute and NO STATE can regulate it.
    >
    > People practice law all the time without being admitted - if you recall its UPL.
    >
    > Well, but for the federal statutes allowing non-lawyers to appear in SSA proceedings it would be UPL.
    >
    > But its AUTHORIZED.
    >
    > I also PRACTICE LAW in certain of the Indian Supreme Courts.
    >
    > I handle felony defenses, divorces, custody, and contract matters in front of a judge - just like state court.
    >
    > But I am ADMITTED by the tribal court even though I'm not yet admitted to the state bar.
    >
    > My guess is YOU are not an attorney licensed anywhere. On the off chance you are, I suspect you are slaving away at
    > junior paralegal work angry at your plight so you come on here trying to impress people and tear them down.
    >
    > A great many of us know your kind.
    >
    > Now if you will excuse me I have a hearing to go to. For a real client. With a real judge.
    >
    > And I get paid real money.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 9/30/08, Facts Straight wrote:
    >> "SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law"\
    >>
    >> YOU CAN NOT PRACTICE LAW UNLESS YOU ARE ADMITTED TO THE
    >> BAR.
    >>
    >> You are a representative and advocate if you are before
    >> an adminstrative agency but NOT practicing law if you
    >> are not an attorney at law.
    >>
    >> On 9/30/08, .... wrote:
    >>> Crown Prince I have been practicing in the area of social security disability for nearly 9 years and I have to say you
    >>> do not sound like you know anything about the level of practice that provides a 6-figure income. (I have often
    >>> enjoyed such a level of income so I speak from experience).
    >>>
    >>> 'Here we go again' appears to never have stepped foot into an administrative proceeding because representing clients
    >>> in SSA matters does in fact involve the practice of law.
    >>>
    >>> Formulating a legal opinion and giving it in writing and orally in front of an ALJ is certainly practicing law with
    >>> very real legal consequences to the client.
    >>>
    >>> Conducting cross on a government vocational or medical expert requires proper voir dire and a knowledge of evidence in
    >>> order to preserve the record for federal court review even if the representative is not an attorney.
    >>>
    >>> SSA is much more than simply putting medical records in front of the ALJ and winning an award.
    >>>
    >>> There are medical elements to be met that must be established using evidence.
    >>>
    >>> There are vocational elements that also require evidence.
    >>>
    >>> These elements intertwine with legal elements and issues that gel into a complicated body of statutory law,
    >>> administrative rulings, and federal case law.
    >>>
    >>> SSA is not for amateurs and even though lay practtioners are allowed to represent claimants - and there are some
    >>> competent ones - most lay reps are mostly incompetent and very lucky that the judge does the work for them at the
    >>> hearing. They get disbarred from SSA all the time.
    >>>
    >>> Unless you have practiced SSA for a period of 4 or 5 years you don't know what you are talking about.
    >>>
    >>> Sure you can spew your BS here anonymously but some of us here do know what we are doing and know that you are full of
    >>> the poop :)
    >>>
    >>> Back to practicing law now....
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/30/08, look it up if dont know what it means wrote:
    >>>> Here we go again.
    >>>>
    >>>> Another wannabe lawyer acting as a representative
    >>>> in stupid social security hearings and thinking they are practicing law
    >>>> and thinking their DL degree is gonna help them in
    >>>> the social security hearing is ridiculous.
    >>>>
    >>>> The practice of law is giving legal opinions orally
    >>>> and in writing and litigating in a COURT of law.
    >>>>
    >>>> Passing the bar is the sine qua non for "practicing
    >>>> law".
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone, my gardner, my barber, my realtor, can represent
    >>>> someone in an adminstrative hearing.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/30/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>> Actually, there are many of us who make upwards of 100K doing social security disability.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you are making only 15K, it means you are only winning between three and seven cases per year. If you are doing
    >>>>> it full time, that is pretty pathetic, unless that is what you want.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Still, better to take the bar. Do it right, unless it floats your boat to do something else. To each their own.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> CP
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/29/08, -- wrote:
    >>>>>> On 9/29/08, Think about it wrote:
    >>>>>>> Guys & Gals,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> LD's banter appeals to the "want-a-be" quasi-lawyer types, they think they can get a 5th rate DL law school
    >>>>>>> education from a school like Novus and then practice SSA administrative law carving out a meager living of
    >>>>>>> $150k per year.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> In their dreams. 15K is more realistic.

     
     

 
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