Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice
Posted by Gary Ricin on 9/07/07
Mailing so-called arbitrations "awards" to the wrong address is NAF standard operating procedure. The reason for this is that there is only an upside or them to do this, since, if the alleged debtor does not respond to the "award" (which is often padded with un-itemised excessive attorney and other fees) within 30 days, then most of the arguments that the alleged debtor could have used to fight the "Award" are forfeited. Add to that mix the fact that it's nearly impossible to prove a negative -- i.e. that something did NOT happen, that you did NOT get something in the mail -- and the fact that, for several reasons, most alleged debtors won't respond to the petition to the court to confirm the "award," and it becomes clear that, for every deliberately mis- addressed NAF "award" that fails due to lack of process, many more succeed. For sure, the NAF can make a bundle of money selling these "awards" to the likes of MBNA and then deliberately sending them to wrong addresses, or not sendingthem at all. Actually, sending "awards" to wrong addresses is nothing more than an added service that NAF provides to to the likes of MBNA, so that MBNA etc makes money and keeps coming back to the NAF with its business. The beauty of this scam is that, if the "award" is vacated (dismissed) by the court (meaning that it is not enforced) due to lack of sufficient notice, then the likes of MBNA can simply do the whole "arbitration" thing again... Or, they can sell the alleged debt to someone else (perhaps Wolpoff & Abramson) and they can do the same thing. The good news, is that courts do (very slowly) seem to be taking more notice of this scam. There have been a handful of recent rulings (MBNA v Credit (this is a person's name); MBNA v Straub; MBNA v Boata; and, my favorite, MBNA v Nelson, which really goes to town on the CC companies, the NAF and their phony "arbitration" clauses. I am also personally aware of a case in my own state -- which is not Missouri -- in which an arbitration "award" was vacated largely on the basis of lack of due process: the NAF had, among other violations, claimed to have mailed the "award" to the wrong address. The court in that case wrote that the courts should not "...turn a blind eye to credit card industry practices that transgress the boundaries of due process." So, yes, there are likely literally thousands of alleged debtors who have not received so-called arbitration "awards" because the NAF deliberately sent them to the wrong address, or did not send them at all. My question is: Now that you have this information, what are you planning to do about it? On 9/06/07, Doug T wrote: > Has anyone had problems with National Arbitration Forum not sending notice of the > arbitration prior to the arbitration and/or not sending notice of the arbitration > award? I have had two different people tell me that they never received any notice > from NAF either before or after the arbitration. The only notice they had arbitration > even took place was a summons to ratify the award. > > These both happened in MO - Kramer and Frank is the attorney and NCO Protfolio > management is the Debt collector
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- National Arbitration Forum, 6/06/04, by Tessie.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 7/07/04, by Mark.
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- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 7/08/04, by Dave Schwimmer.
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- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 11/19/04, by Ultrapig.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 1/19/05, by Mike.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 1/24/05, by mark.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 3/28/05, by Dee.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/11/05, by Mark Branstner.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 2/21/06, by margaret.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 2/21/06, by TONY.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/21/06, by Blood from a Stone.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/29/06, by Lynn.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 5/18/06, by JCM.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 5/20/06, by JamesJ.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/04/06, by JamesJ.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/04/06, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/15/06, by DebtorJoe.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/16/06, by Dekki.
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- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/30/06, by Skydance.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/30/06, by It stops being profitable if everyone fights..
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 9/05/06, by Steven.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 9/29/06, by tw.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 9/29/06, by RIBS.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 11/27/06, by Mary.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 12/19/06, by Hecky.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 12/19/06, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 2/16/07, by Trina.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 2/17/07, by Res Ispa Loquitur.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 2/18/07, by Moe.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/10/07, by Andy.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/12/07, by Emily.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/16/07, by Withheld.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/16/07, by Withheld.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/30/07, by CHOW.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 5/21/07, by James J.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 5/21/07, by Curmudgeon.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 5/21/07, by James J.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 6/14/07, by eingriff.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 6/14/07, by eingriff.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 6/14/07, by Albert W. L. Moore, Jr..
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 6/28/07, by CaliGirl.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (HOW TO GET'EM OUT YOUR BACK), 7/01/07, by Carlos.-.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (IF THEY HAVE ALREADY THE AW, 7/01/07, by Carlos.-.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (ONE LAST TIP), 7/01/07, by Carlos.-.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum , 7/12/07, by Terri.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 7/12/07, by Terri.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 7/17/07, by Rolando.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/07/07, by Carlos.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/08/07, by Carlos.-.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 8/28/07, by Jason J..
- Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice, 9/06/07, by Doug T.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice, 9/07/07, by Gary Ricin.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 9/17/07, by Allison Warren.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (IF THEY HAVE ALREADY THE AW, 10/03/07, by Danielle.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 10/03/07, by Danielle.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (IF THEY HAVE ALREADY THE AW, 10/10/07, by Carlos.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 10/10/07, by Carlos.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (HOW TO GET'EM OUT YOUR BACK), 10/22/07, by marge.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (HOW TO GET'EM OUT YOUR BACK), 10/23/07, by Steven Sozins.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (HOW TO GET'EM OUT YOUR BACK), 10/23/07, by -.
- Re: NAF Founder's Contact Info, 10/24/07, by Steven Sozins.
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- Re: NAF Founder's Contact Info, 10/25/07, by Steven Sozins.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum (HOW TO GET'EM OUT YOUR BACK), 11/26/07, by Carlos.-.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice, 12/01/07, by AKA Thaddeous Jones.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice, 12/01/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: NAF everyone, 12/01/07, by Prairie Dawg.
- Re: NAF everyone, 12/01/07, by Thaddeous Jones.
- Re: National Arbitration Forum, 4/18/08, by Thomas.
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- Re: National Arbitration Forum - Lack of Notice, 5/20/08, by Ted t.
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