Re: CURMUDGEN V RESPOND

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On 3/14/05, v wrote:
> TV: Your son got busted for not
> folowing the rules. I'm not an
> attorney, but in this situation
> there is no due process. He knew
> the rules, he broke them three
> times. He is paying the price. He
> is your responsabilty. There are
> laws against truency. If your son
> can't learn how to behave now.
> Who's fault is it? you blame the
> courts? The court is going to
> blame you! & he'll learn the hard
> way now before he has to in prison
> latter. Sociaty dosen't have to
> tolerate bad behavior. AND THE
> MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT. Apparently
> niether of you get it. Sounds like
> you are condonning this. Maybe you
> are part of the problem.
>
> you are partially right v, he broke the rules and i have no
problem with him being punihed for it. but you are wrong about due
process, he cannot be imprisoned for breaking the rules. rules and
laws are 2 different things and according to our constitution
everyone born in the us has the right to face their accusers in
court. i had no problem with the 3 days of oss he was going to get,
and i told this to principal. but if they want to confine him he
must be charged with something, and if he is charged he must be
given his day in court even if it is inevetible he will lose. doesnt
matter what they think or know he has done you cannont be confined
just because they think it will teach you a lesson. theres a process
and they skipped it. we had a initial hearing asked for a lawyer and
we were denied, i guess he was charged for delinquecie but im not
sure. either way we were denied any defence and arequest for a
lawyer. if he was put in det for del, then they put the cart before
the horse. he should have been charged asked to plead guilty or not
guilty that didnt happen. if you walk in to local sheriffs office
shoot the sheriff in front of everyone, you still get the
oppertunity to plead your case. that is what i have a problem with.
not the punishment. if they had done it the right way i wouldnt be
on this chatboard, my son has the right to plead his case even if
hes guilty.
> On 3/14/05, tv wrote:
>> On 3/14/05, Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> Sir v, you're closer than you
> thought.
>>>
>>> The posts piqued my interest,
> so I did a little digging. In
>>> the OP's home county, there is
> a cooperative program
>>> established by the schools,
> juvenile authorities, and the
>>> courts.
>>>
>>> It kicks in when a child has
> received a third out-of-school
>>> suspension and is, thus, facing
> expulsion. Rather than
>>> letting the little buggers run
> the streets unsupervised while
>>> suspended, they are required to
> report to the program and
>>> spend the days studying, doing
> community service, and taking
>>> appropriate classes on anger
> management, life skills, etc.
>>>
>>> If they fail to report on the
> first day of the suspension,
>>> they will be picked up and held
> until they can go before the
>>> judge and explain why they
> didn't report. It is the parents'
>>> responsibility to get the child
> to the program.
>>>
>>> Amazingly, many of the involved
> parents complain because its
>>> such a "hardship" to deliver
> the child to the program and pick
>>> him up at the end of the day.
>>>
>>> On 3/14/05, v wrote:
>>>> TV: Are you related to
> Roosta? I
>>>> wouldn't worrie about the
> little
>>>> buggers. It'll keep them off
> the
>>>> streets. Their probly headed
> for
>>>> prison any way.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/14/05, TV wrote:
>>>>> hello reader. in the city
> of
>>>> wabash in wabash county ind
>>>>> ther is an order from local
>>>> court that apon 3rd referral
>>>>> to out of school suspension
> from
>>>> principal. that the child
>>>>> is to be picked up
> immmediatly
>>>> and put in detention center
>>>>> until next court date. some
> of
>>>> the offenses that can get a
>>>>> refferall are tardys
> horseplay
>>>> foul language ect. mostly
>>>>> descretion of principal.
> seems
>>>> to me this gives principal
>>>>> the power to sentence
> children
>>>> to jail time without their
>>>>> due process. they also make
> them
>>>> write out a statement of
>>>>> guilt to be used against them
> in
>>>> court but they are
>>>>> teenagers and dont understand
>>>> what their doing as far as
>>>>> legality, they are told to
> just
>>>> write the statement and
>>>>> they may or may not get
>>>> suspended. they are not told
> that
>>>>> it will be used against them
> in
>>>> court. it seems to me that
>>>>> the principal given this
> power
>>>> should be considered as an
>>>>> officer of the court and have
> to
>>>> go by their rules as far
>>>>> as interegating a student for
>>>> info to be solely used
>>>>> against them in court. and my
>>>> question is can a local
>>>>> judge issue such a blank
> order
>>>> legally wouldnt it have to
>>>>> be some type of city or
> county
>>>> ordinance. thnx tv
>>>>
>> ok gonna try this 1 more time
> the juvenile was taken to det
>> center on friday he was to
> report to day reporting on monday
>> thats today. we went to court
> today he spent the weekend in det
>> center. this morning in court he
> was ordered to report to day
>> reporting. i told the judge we
> wanted a lawyer, he said we could
>> hire a lawyer and contest it but
> as far as he was concernd my
>> son was to report to day
> reporting. we werent given any
>> oppertunity to put up a defense
> of any kind. and my son spent 3
>> days in det without being
> charged for any crime. so as you
> can
>> see he wasnt sent to det center
> for not showing up. he was sent
>> because of the 3rd referral. get
> it now and he was also
>> sentenced to day reporting.
> so you tell me where was the due
>> process we had 1 court
> appearance and it was a
>> sentecing. thnx tv
>