Re: CURMUDGEN V RESPOND

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TV i'm ot an attorney. But i
think your missing the point. Your
son is not an adult. He is not
garenteed the same rights under
the constitution in this
circumstance. He hasn't reached
the age of majority. He is still
your responsability. Compareing
this to shooting the sheriff, is
like apples & oranges. Then he
might be tried as an adult.

On 3/17/05, tv wrote:
> On 3/14/05, v wrote:
>> TV: Your son got busted for
not
>> folowing the rules. I'm not an
>> attorney, but in this situation
>> there is no due process. He
knew
>> the rules, he broke them three
>> times. He is paying the price.
He
>> is your responsabilty. There
are
>> laws against truency. If your
son
>> can't learn how to behave now.
>> Who's fault is it? you blame
the
>> courts? The court is going to
>> blame you! & he'll learn the
hard
>> way now before he has to in
prison
>> latter. Sociaty dosen't have to
>> tolerate bad behavior. AND THE
>> MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT.
Apparently
>> niether of you get it. Sounds
like
>> you are condonning this. Maybe
you
>> are part of the problem.
>>
>> you are partially right v, he
broke the rules and i have no
> problem with him being punihed
for it. but you are wrong about
due
> process, he cannot be imprisoned
for breaking the rules. rules and
> laws are 2 different things and
according to our constitution
> everyone born in the us has the
right to face their accusers in
> court. i had no problem with the
3 days of oss he was going to get,
> and i told this to principal.
but if they want to confine him he
> must be charged with something,
and if he is charged he must be
> given his day in court even if
it is inevetible he will lose.
doesnt
> matter what they think or know
he has done you cannont be
confined
> just because they think it will
teach you a lesson. theres a
process
> and they skipped it. we had a
initial hearing asked for a lawyer
and
> we were denied, i guess he was
charged for delinquecie but im not
> sure. either way we were denied
any defence and arequest for a
> lawyer. if he was put in det for
del, then they put the cart before
> the horse. he should have been
charged asked to plead guilty or
not
> guilty that didnt happen. if
you walk in to local sheriffs
office
> shoot the sheriff in front of
everyone, you still get the
> oppertunity to plead your case.
that is what i have a problem
with.
> not the punishment. if they had
done it the right way i wouldnt be
> on this chatboard, my son has
the right to plead his case even
if
> hes guilty.
>> On 3/14/05, tv wrote:
>>> On 3/14/05, Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>> Sir v, you're closer than you
>> thought.
>>>>
>>>> The posts piqued my interest,
>> so I did a little digging. In
>>>> the OP's home county, there
is
>> a cooperative program
>>>> established by the schools,
>> juvenile authorities, and the
>>>> courts.
>>>>
>>>> It kicks in when a child has
>> received a third out-of-school
>>>> suspension and is, thus,
facing
>> expulsion. Rather than
>>>> letting the little buggers
run
>> the streets unsupervised while
>>>> suspended, they are required
to
>> report to the program and
>>>> spend the days studying,
doing
>> community service, and taking
>>>> appropriate classes on anger
>> management, life skills, etc.
>>>>
>>>> If they fail to report on the
>> first day of the suspension,
>>>> they will be picked up and
held
>> until they can go before the
>>>> judge and explain why they
>> didn't report. It is the
parents'
>>>> responsibility to get the
child
>> to the program.
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, many of the
involved
>> parents complain because its
>>>> such a "hardship" to deliver
>> the child to the program and
pick
>>>> him up at the end of the day.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/14/05, v wrote:
>>>>> TV: Are you related to
>> Roosta? I
>>>>> wouldn't worrie about the
>> little
>>>>> buggers. It'll keep them off
>> the
>>>>> streets. Their probly headed
>> for
>>>>> prison any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/14/05, TV wrote:
>>>>>> hello reader. in the city
>> of
>>>>> wabash in wabash county ind
>>>>>> ther is an order from local
>>>>> court that apon 3rd referral
>>>>>> to out of school suspension
>> from
>>>>> principal. that the child
>>>>>> is to be picked up
>> immmediatly
>>>>> and put in detention center
>>>>>> until next court date. some
>> of
>>>>> the offenses that can get a
>>>>>> refferall are tardys
>> horseplay
>>>>> foul language ect. mostly
>>>>>> descretion of principal.
>> seems
>>>>> to me this gives principal
>>>>>> the power to sentence
>> children
>>>>> to jail time without their
>>>>>> due process. they also make
>> them
>>>>> write out a statement of
>>>>>> guilt to be used against
them
>> in
>>>>> court but they are
>>>>>> teenagers and dont
understand
>>>>> what their doing as far as
>>>>>> legality, they are told to
>> just
>>>>> write the statement and
>>>>>> they may or may not get
>>>>> suspended. they are not told
>> that
>>>>>> it will be used against
them
>> in
>>>>> court. it seems to me that
>>>>>> the principal given this
>> power
>>>>> should be considered as an
>>>>>> officer of the court and
have
>> to
>>>>> go by their rules as far
>>>>>> as interegating a student
for
>>>>> info to be solely used
>>>>>> against them in court. and
my
>>>>> question is can a local
>>>>>> judge issue such a blank
>> order
>>>>> legally wouldnt it have to
>>>>>> be some type of city or
>> county
>>>>> ordinance. thnx tv
>>>>>
>>> ok gonna try this 1 more time
>> the juvenile was taken to det
>>> center on friday he was to
>> report to day reporting on
monday
>>> thats today. we went to court
>> today he spent the weekend in
det
>>> center. this morning in court
he
>> was ordered to report to day
>>> reporting. i told the judge we
>> wanted a lawyer, he said we
could
>>> hire a lawyer and contest it
but
>> as far as he was concernd my
>>> son was to report to day
>> reporting. we werent given any
>>> oppertunity to put up a
defense
>> of any kind. and my son spent 3
>>> days in det without being
>> charged for any crime. so as
you
>> can
>>> see he wasnt sent to det
center
>> for not showing up. he was sent
>>> because of the 3rd referral.
get
>> it now and he was also
>>> sentenced to day reporting.
>> so you tell me where was the
due
>>> process we had 1 court
>> appearance and it was a
>>> sentecing. thnx tv
>>