Re: Starbuck's ruling
Posted by sharwinston on 6/04/08

As I stated, if I want a specific service worker to have a gratuity for
their service: I hand it to him/her & they can do with it as they wish.
They do NOT have to turn it over to their employer. They can hang onto
whatever I gave that specific person & can not be forced to turn it over to
anyone. It's a G-I-F-T. No one can be forced to share a gift. Duh.....

On 5/27/08, George wrote:
> Sharwinston, you stated,
>
> If I want to gift a tip to a specific person, I hand it
> to him/her. It is then his/hers to do with any way s/he
> sees fit.
>
> Not in most states. In most states the employer is
> allowed to take it away from the employee and share it
> with other workers so the employer won't have to pay
> these other workers out of his own pocket. It's called
> employer mandated tip pooling. And while you and many
> other people think they can simply give anyone they want
> a tip and that person can keep it as their own, our
> federal governmnent is currently allowing businesses to
> steal your tip and the tips of others who attempt to tip
> specific workers. This is a fact Jack.
>
> When you tip, you have no choice but to tip every worker
> the employers wants to include in the sharing of your tip.
> It should be your right, but business owners have been
> successful at bribing our government into ignoring our
> constitutional rights so those who are willing to pay off
> our government officials, judges and politicians can steal
> the tips customers are presenting certain workers in the
> service industry.
>
> So when you leave a tip on a table who the hell is it for.
> You know as well as I the employee will have a hard time
> proving it was for him. Why do you want to jack these
> workers around like that. There employer will control the
> tip to his interests which would probably mean he will
> share it among everyone working at the joint so he won't
> have to pay any of them much in the way of wages.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/09/08, sharwinston wrote:
>> Absolutely not true. My act of leaving a tip on a table is most
>> definitely not "carelessness." Nor is it "unintentional" It is a
>> knowing, voluntary and deliberate act.
>>
>> I have never, ever have to tip. That is my choice.
>> Furthermore: Once the money leaves my possession (leave it on table,
>> put it in a jar, etc.), I have relinquished all control as to what
>> happenes to any tip I might choose to leave.
>>
>> If I want to gift a tip to a specific person, I hand it to him/her. It
>> is then his/hers to do with any way s/he sees fit.
>>
>> On 4/25/08, George wrote:
>>>
>>> Leaving a tip on a table or bar is initiated by the carelessness of
>>> the customer. While leaving a tip on a table or at a bar is clearly a
>>> unintentional carelessness

Posts on this thread, including this one

• Starbuck's ruling, 4/22/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/22/08, by Ann.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/23/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/23/08, by Ann.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/24/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/24/08, by Ann.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/25/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/25/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 4/25/08, by Martha.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 5/09/08, by sharwinston.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 5/27/08, by George.
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 6/03/08, by George .
• Re: Starbuck's ruling, 6/04/08, by sharwinston.