Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip
Posted by lawguy on 3/12/09
On 3/11/09, sharwinston wrote: > No. Tipping has nothing to do with the Constitution. > Explanation: Tipping has nothing to do with the Constition. > Harm: No. Tipping has nothing to do with the Constitution. > yet, the intent of the patron appears to be the legal guidepost for determining ownership of the tip. interestingly, the employer gets to decide to whom the patron intended to leave the money. In the January "Lu v. Hawaiian Gardens" decision, a California Court noted: "We dare say that the average diner has little or no idea and does not really care who benefits from the gratuity he leaves, as long as the employer does not pocket it, because he rewards for good service no matter which one of the employees directly servicing the table renders it." "At bottom, Lu’s [***and perhap's George's???****] entire argument here is premised on his assumption that all of the money a dealer receives in gratuities is that dealer’s personal property. [An earlier case] found “erroneous,” the “assumption that the entire tip left by the patron is the waitress’s personal property,” ... because it is rarely obvious just which employee a tip was intended for...." Similarly, in the March "Budrow v. Dave & Buster's" decision, a California Court wrote: "It is in the nature of a tip pool that it is based on the general experience of each particular establishment, that it is only broadly predictive of the reasons for and the patterns of tipping in that particular restaurant and that, in the final analysis, this is the best that anyone can do. It is simply not possible to devise a system that works with mathematical precision and solomonic justice in each one of the millions of transactions that take place every day." "Section 351 provides that the tip must have been “paid, given to, or left for” the employee. Given that restaurants differ, there must be flexibility in determining the employees that the tip was “paid, given to or left for.” A statute should be interpreted in a reasonable manner." "Ultimately, the decision about which employees are to participate in the tip pool must be based on a reasonable assessment of the patrons‟ intentions. It is, in the final analysis, the patron who decides to whom the tip is to be “paid, given to or left for.” It is those intentions that must be anticipated in deciding which employees are to participate in the tip pool." so, you're right that it's not a constitutional issue. george is also incorrect in that he thinks the problem is an unjust system (well, it is that, but that's not the fix for george's problem). what george needs to know is that the rules as they exist aren't as he's interpreted them, but instead the law has been interpreted in a way he doesn't like (to allow tip pooling). that doesn't mean everyone hates him, or is corrupt. that just means he's wasting everyone's time complaining about the injustice. what he needs is a new law, or a new case interpretation, rather than to moan.
Posts on this thread, including this one
- Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip. , 1/27/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 2/03/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 2/09/09, by Terry.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 3/11/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 3/12/09, by lawguy.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/05/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/05/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/05/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/05/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/06/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/08/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/08/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/15/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/22/09, by Conanalizer.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/22/09, by George.
- Re: Customer's right to determine who is entitled to his tip, 4/22/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/22/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/22/09, by Conanalizer.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/23/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/25/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/27/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/27/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/27/09, by sharwinsotn.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/28/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 4/28/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/01/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/02/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/03/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/07/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/19/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/19/09, by Chewtoy.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/20/09, by George.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/23/09, by sharwinston.
- Re: Response to Conanylizer, 5/24/09, by v.
- Re: Response to v, 5/27/09, by George.
- Re: Response to v, 5/30/09, by sharwinston.
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