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Re: Non-Bar Programs - Breyer State Univ.-AL online J.D. De
Posted by JF on 3/16/08

    Dear Thom:

    I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Breyer State University Law
    School. I have I taken several courses at BSU and no one has yet
    contacted me to "sell me" the diploma. They have just offered me hard
    work in the law courses. This is the tuffest online school I have
    attended.

    I actually take the courses, read the entire lawbook text assignments
    and brief some but not all cases. I listen to 20+ hours of cd law
    lecture per course/week. I also take the 3+ hour online midtern and
    final exams. So I know taking courses at Breyer State U is no
    pushover. They BSU require the coursework, but law program is an
    independant study type education system so students have to keep
    motivated and apply themselves. But Breyer State University Law School
    is not "giving away or selling" the JD degrees. BSU law students earn
    their degrees. I'm earning my degree.

    As far as I know, just from the school website you can see listed
    (with photos) 5-6 attorneys and a total of approx. 100+ other faculty
    in the different fields. The law program is directed by a licensed
    and practicing attorney.

    Thom, Isn't a diploma mill a school that sells you a diploma for
    little or no work? This is not the case with Breyer State University.
    BSU requires the coursework and the time spent to take the courses.
    You must also get a passing grade to get credit for the course.

    As far as accreditation, Breyer has no regional or DETC accreditation,
    they clearly state this on their website(www.breyerstate.com) but
    neither do 8 out of 10 California online law schools. Breyer State
    Univesity awards a legal state recognized and authorized non-bar JD
    law degree.

    Most CA online law schools are no longer offering the non-bar degree.
    At the CA online law schools students must enter the bar jd program,
    but if they don't take and pass the baby bar they won't get any credit
    beyond the first years courses. This hardly seems fair to the
    students. Atleast at Breyer State University you are allowed to
    complete the JD program and be awarded a legal state authorized Juris
    Doctorate degree. Then its up to the student to put his or her law
    training to use in the field of their choice.

    Thom, while you have your opinion like everyone else.

    I say to you "show me your Breyer State University Law degree", you
    can't because you haven't earned it.

    In fact I'm just curious, what law school do you go to? Tell us about
    your online law schools accreditation. If you even go to law school.


    On 3/15/08, Thom wrote:
    > The only difference is Breyer is a diploma mill. To compare Breyer
    > to the University of Phoenix is a joke. I couldn't find one
    > faculty member on the Breyer website that would be qualified to even
    > teach one law school course.
    >
    > Breyer made up their own accreditation. It's just like saying its
    > accredited by "JF" or the auto club. It's worthless.
    >
    > Any print show could get you a diploma equal in value to one from
    > Breyer.
    >
    > Thom
    >
    > On 3/15/08, JF wrote:
    >> Fellows:
    >>
    >> You are somewhat correct, Breyer State University Law School does
    >> not have ABA, ALI,CA Bar or DETC accreditation. But accreditation
    >> it does have is private accredition and it is Alabama State
    >> licensed and reconized. The State of Alabama Dept. of Post
    >> Secondary Education does recognize and license Breyer State
    >> University as an educational institution. BSU is authorized to
    >> legally award the JD degree. Interesting to note that in Alabama
    >> Breyer State University and the University of Phoenix have the
    >> same type of licensing as private educational institutions.
    >>
    >> Analysis of accreditation for online Distance Learning law schools:
    >>
    >> 1st Best Standard: Regional or DETC accredited
    >> 2nd Best Standard: CA Bar registered
    >> 3rd Best Standard: CA or AL Post Secondary Edu. Dept licensed and
    >> recognized
    >>
    >> What accreitation does your school have? ABA/ALI don't accredited
    >> online JD programs.
    >>
    >> "Breyer State" is just a name. Does your school's name reflect
    >> any official affliliation or connection to the state, city,
    >> region, country or a former president? I wonder does that make
    >> your online law school a diploma mill?
    >>
    >> True, Breyer State University is a for profit institution, just
    >> like every other online DL law school in California...
    >>
    >> 03/15/08 - end of entry -
    >>
    >>
    >> On 3/15/08, Thom wrote:
    >>> Breyer State is not a state college at all - it's just a for-
    >>> profit college. It doesn't even have an .edu address. It's
    >>> based in Alabama which has no regulatory oversight for colleges
    >>> and its so-called accreditation is completely bogus.
    >>>
    >>> Other than that, it's fine. :)
    >>>
    >>> Thom
    >>>
    >>> On 3/15/08, Jon wrote:
    >>>> In most circles, Breyer State is considered a diploma mill.
    >>>>
    >>>> Jon
    >>>>
    >>>> sOn 3/14/08, JF wrote:
    >>>>> The Breyer State University-AL has a non-bar J.D. law
    >>>>> program thats still available. Its very similar to the
    >>>>> California executive JD programs. Breyers U's distance
    >>>>> learning program uses the same law books as other DL law
    >>>>> schools and the program is mentored or instructor supervised
    >>>>> by a faculty member who is a practicing attorney. Students
    >>>>> have up to five (5) years to complete the program. Students
    >>>>> are not bar eligible however some students are using this JD
    >>>>> program to get law trained for careers in mediation,
    >>>>> contracts administration, IRS federal tax law ,SSD
    >>>>> administrative law and other collateral legal fields.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The Breyer State University's program is very
    >>>>> reasonable tuition wise. The program is flexible and even
    >>>>> has a symposium course, a type of project/practicum/clinical
    >>>>> course that allows the law student to "focus" or specialize
    >>>>> in a specific field of law that is of particular interest to
    >>>>> the student.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Paulo, Good luck in your search for an online JD degree
    >>>>> program.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 3/13/08, Paulo wrote:
    >>>>>> Any references to non-bar programs have been moved from
    >>>>>> the websites of most of the distance law schools. Some
    >>>>>> have been re-labeled "Executive" - others were just
    >>>>>> dropped.

     
     

 
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