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Re: Breyer State University-JD Non Bar Degree....
Posted by SDK on 3/31/08

    I have read all these posts, on this law school chat. Which incidentally I found while searching
    for something else under this google site. There is has been much controversy from what I have
    seen for sometime about BSU and schools similar in nature.

    I am proud to say that I a am graduate from the Non Bar- JD program at BSU. What JF is saying
    about the JD program is absolutely true. Nope nobody asked me to say this and I do not know who JF
    is, since this is a self paced program where there is no interaction with other students. The only
    interaction is with the mentor, who by the way is a licensed and practicing attorney, which I
    checked out.

    Its ironic how you people that have posted the negative, about BSU have never been there, so how
    would know by what somebody believes is fake or bogus. BSU is equal to any uncredited law school.
    I know as I from CA and I had attended an uncredited, law school, before I came to BSu that is
    only a bar program.

    I left because I thought it was a rip, and they had a very dim and sadastic attitude, and like
    most places the faculty have their picks. No I did not flunk out on the first year law exam or
    also what is known as the baby bar. I did not bother with that, as its true if you flunk you are
    out everything, a person worked hard for. It can be taken over however who has 500 hundred bucks
    every time they flunk. Ironically CA happens to have one of the roughest bars in this country,
    despite that we uncredited law schools and I really do not care what another state thinks, as I
    read somethings that some of the states that were mentioned in the posts said about our school
    system. Every state has their good and their bad. Yet the many law students that do pass the bar
    no matter where they are across the board do not know there left foot from their right.

    Society has taught us to believe that if a school is accredited that is it. Its the way to go. In
    many cases its the way to get into your wallet. I admit was skeptical at first, and was concerned
    about the legality of my degree, while at Breyer and I checked a lot of things out while there as
    it was disturbing to see things such as this while I was attending Breyer, and many times I did n
    want to quit.
    However, I realized that most of the negatives I did see had no merit to it. Furthermore
    accreditation is not everything, I have many accredited degrees and they done me little good, as
    you also need to be credentialed and further licensure is another aspect. Granted if the degree is
    not REGIONALLY ACCREDITED, then one will not be able to
    be in position for that to happen however everybody has different goals, in mind once that degree
    is ascertained. IF that school takes it so be it, if that employer takes it so be it. Yes I had a
    a few schools take my degree from Breyer. I am in accredited it I am deeply and debt and I there
    is nothing solid about that either. I probably will not be able to further afford staying at this
    other school, and most likely have go elsewhere.

    In any Non Bar program, the school will not be regionally accredited, they all uncredited, however
    the only reason these schools are in existence in CA is they are conferred by the Post secondary
    of Education to give out degrees and they are registered by the committee of bar examiners. So
    students can sit on the bar.
    However, I have seen ads whether one passes the bar or not the employer will not consider the
    candidate even though there education was not any different, and the its also the true that the
    books and materials that are used are the same as an accredited law school. Further I also had to
    have my four Bachelors degree sent to them from an accredited school to get into Breyer that is
    something a degree mill would never ask for.

    How about these people that go to these accredited law schools, and spend all this money and they
    get their law degree and do not pass the state bar, or the character check, and CAN NOT get licensed?
    Where it does not leave them with a JD degree and they still cannot practice law. The only
    difference is the practicing of law. Since CA has the ABA, state and uncredited bricks and mortar
    or the DL schools. A DL school is automically classified as non bar, which is unaccredited. Why
    should I pay 25 or 30 grand on fees with the same law books, for a law degree just for a Non Bar
    when I do not want the bar program. The basic classes are the same especially in the first year of
    law school and those of you tha even think or believe for 5 minutes that a in a live law school,
    they are going to teach you the law you are sadly mistaken.

    The lectures are 98% by way of the case book method, and what is also ironic, you will not be
    tested on the casebook at all, in the state bar in this state. Although I cannot speak for other
    states, I would suspect there is a close facsmile as well in other states.

    In fact that has been another debate on whether the casebook method has been effective,the stats
    are low, in this state , so that tells us something right there. Very little law is given you are
    being trained to think like a lawyer that is it. If you want to know law, you probably should
    enroll in some paralegal classes for about a year so you have a foundation of the legal world and
    its terms. There is nothing in law school but how to analyze fact patterns, and of course how to
    look at case and brief it, and they really do not do much of that. Or they will call on a student
    and ask them to explain the case to see if they read the material.

    That is why they have all those seminars for law students to go to so they can learn what they
    should be learning in the law classroom, and what they are paying for. On how to pass the bar,
    that is why even in these live law schools one must use aids of tapes, hornbooks, outlines and
    many other aids that will help the student get through, and some students like to use study groups
    that would be true of any bricks and mortar school. However personally I am not a group person.

    The difference is with Breyer you have to learn it on your own. The mentor will not answer much,
    as that is for you to figure out, accept on your test reviews. If Old Abe Lincoln could study on
    his own every night and many others why not you.

    If you were to compare Breyer to a degree mill you are so far, I mentioned above on was issue of
    transcripts further as I enlisted in those places, since they were talked about so much I wanted
    to see myself what the process or difference was, however I would not do it, you paying for a
    service. Breyer is not a service, and you pay for the GPA, you want, and also pay for what you
    want the degree to say and you write a few paragraphs and some committee that they alledge to
    have, says you are approved within 24 hours. Breyer does not does not admit students with that
    agenda. You can even get sets, of degrees in all one pack and make up the dates you want to
    graduate, you have to pay extra for that if not you will get the date you paid for the service.
    They tell you get your degree 5-7 working days. I do not know think so. After you graduate it
    takes 3-6 weeks to your degree after you officially graduate.

    However, I do not recall choosing my GPA, or my anything of the sort, and I was not given my
    degree I EARNED IT fair and square, and it was not an easy program, it is more difficult because
    it took discipline, tenacity, and a lot of desire, to earn that degree.

    Granted I had some exposure to law school as mentioned above and some paralegal classes as in
    other aspects of my education years ago, but I basically still had to teach myself with aid of the
    mentor, how to succeed in the program. I had to make my work legally sound with legal reasoning
    and analysis and to spot issues, and I had to learn how to make myself expound on arguments during
    my exams for the law mentor's liking.

    So to conclude please do not knock something until you have tried it out, but to knock somebody
    else for trying, that is very narrow minded. Granted people are entitled to their opinions, but
    that is all they are unless you actually experienced it, as many of us do not and its easy to say
    well its this and its that. As I said I have been to both, so I know. However, no I cannot say I
    have been to our state or our ABA schools, and I was not comparing that, however I know that one
    is paying a good figure. The stats are a bit higher on the bar in some cases but then those people
    are more likely then not have more of advantage then those that end up in the uncredited law
    school since that is of course more cost effective then one of our ABA or state schools.

    However, since DL has taken over why not. In AL they do not have uncredited that are live they ony
    ABA schools like most states so since they DL, it would have to be Non-Bar and one could not
    practice law, but could hold positions in a legal capacity.

    I ascertained what I came for. I wanted my law degree, and I wanted to earn it and I did. I have
    my mini law library and all my work to prove it. The student still has to know what they are
    doing, whether there is an accreditation or not. I could count the accredited schools I have dealt
    with out here and across the board that are not law and wondered how they were still in business.
    Yes there are people out there that try to knock these schools down, and say well they are in
    business, because nobody sued them. For what for giving people a choice to have a education at an
    a cost-effective price? to hold a legal degree, again there is no non bar program that will be in
    an accredited school it just that simple. No matter what they call it. A least from Breyer, I am
    not debt, from going to law school.

    I just wanted to put my experience out on the table since I have been through it and completed it.

    Thank-you

    SDK


    On 3/20/08, Alan C wrote:
    > If your definition of a diploma mill is a company that simply sells degrees, Breyer probably
    > wouldn't be classified as a diploma mill. (However, their website says that they do sell
    > outright "honorary" degrees - something no real university does.)
    >
    > But the modern definition of a diploma mill is a company that issues degrees for little
    > academic work or work well beyond the level the degree. Breyer State clearly meeting this
    > definition.
    >
    > JF, if you can possibily get your money back I would strongly recommend that you do so.
    > Regardless, of the quality of the work you submit, you don't want Breyer on your resume for
    > the rest of your career.
    >
    > Alan C
    >
    > On 3/19/08, JF wrote:
    >> Alan C:
    >>
    >> So what your saying Alan C is that Alabama State recognizes and authorizes Breyer State
    >> University to award legally the degrees by default.
    >>
    >> I think the question is more complex than that, Breyer State University must have met the
    >> guidelines for Alabama school licensing and the criteria for an educational institution in
    >> Alabama.
    >>
    >> What ever the case may be Breyer State University degree programs appear solid atleast from
    >> what is discernable from their website. They seem to have over 100+ faculty and their
    >> tuition is at a reasonable cost.
    >>
    >>
    >> As for the California online law schools asking Oregon to evaluate them, I would say that is
    >> a bad idea because it appears that the Oregon evaluation criteria would place any California
    >> unaccredited online law school on the Oregon's "degree supplier list". So don't even
    >> suggest it.
    >>
    >>
    >> 03/19/08 - end entry -
    >>
    >>
    >> On 3/19/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>> Breyer State operates because the Alabama laws are so week and they have few dollars for
    >>> enforcement. Oregon will not review any out-of-state school unless the school applies and
    >>> no California law school has applied. It would not be necessary for the two accredited
    >>> distance education to seek approval from Oregon.
    >>>
    >>> Alan C
    >>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>

     
     

 
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