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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by It actually has no value at all on 4/22/08

    Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    to the bar but it is still a law degree
    after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    be shown the door.

    Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.

    Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.

    Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.

    On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    > Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    > I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    > donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    > online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    > degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    > have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >
    > Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    > because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    > law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    > quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    > own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >
    >>>>
    >
    > On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>
    >> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>
    >> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>
    >> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>
    >> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>
    >> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>
    >> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >> agencies.
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>
    >>> Alan C
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>
    >>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>> certifications,
    >>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>
    >>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>
    >>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>
    >>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>
    >>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>> argument,
    >>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>

     
     

 
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