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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by Value is Relative on 4/22/08

    A "nonbar Juris Doctorate" does have value, it represents that effort and study time invested in earning it. The
    individual who earned the executive JD or nonbar JD degree places a value on it. There are many Californians who
    earned nonbar JDs that would argue that the eJD has helped them in their careers. The study of law must be beneficial
    even when students don't graduate, most students learn something. I think the value is relative (Judge Cardozo).

    By your reasoning:

    A holder of a BA/MS in Accounting is worthless because she is not a licensed CPA.
    A holder of a BA/MS in biology is worthless because he is not a licensed M.D.
    A holder of a BA in Education is worthless because she is not a certified teacher.
    A holder of an MSL/JD in Law is worthless because he is not a licensed attorney

    Yet we have millions of:

    Unlicensed CPAs, they are called bookeepers.
    Unlicensed M.D.s, they are called cancer researchers.
    Unlicensed Teachers, they are assitant teachers,librarians and in some states contracted teachers.
    Unlicensed JDs, they are called paralegals.

    If I had a nonbar JD and an employer(or anyone) laughed at me, I would ask one simple question. "Wheres yours? (eJD)

    Come on ladies and gentlemen, law students are supposed to be open minded. How can we help the clients if we can only
    think in one direction.

    On 4/22/08, It actually has no value at all wrote:
    > Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    > an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    > to the bar but it is still a law degree
    > after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    > be shown the door.
    >
    > Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.
    >
    > Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.
    >
    > Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.
    >
    > On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    >> Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    >> I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    >> donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    >> online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    >> degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    >> have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >>
    >> Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    >> because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    >> law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    >> quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    >> own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >>
    >>>>>
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >>> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>>
    >>> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>>
    >>> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>>
    >>> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >>> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>>
    >>> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >>> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>>
    >>> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>>
    >>> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >>> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >>> agencies.
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>>
    >>>> Alan C
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>>> certifications,
    >>>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>>> argument,
    >>>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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