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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by JT on 4/22/08

    Employers don't laugh at eJD's. In most cases it's 3-4 tough years of legal education while still working a full time
    job. It shows mental toughness and perserverance. Anyone can sit in a classroom "full time", but try working full time,
    raising a family and going to law school during your spare time. I attended an online law school while working full
    time. I have since passed the bar, but don't practice law. I make way too much money to give up my career. Don't ever
    let anyone tell you that a eJD is worthless.

    On 4/22/08, Value is Relative wrote:
    > A "nonbar Juris Doctorate" does have value, it represents that effort and study time invested in earning it. The
    > individual who earned the executive JD or nonbar JD degree places a value on it. There are many Californians who
    > earned nonbar JDs that would argue that the eJD has helped them in their careers. The study of law must be beneficial
    > even when students don't graduate, most students learn something. I think the value is relative (Judge Cardozo).
    >
    > By your reasoning:
    >
    > A holder of a BA/MS in Accounting is worthless because she is not a licensed CPA.
    > A holder of a BA/MS in biology is worthless because he is not a licensed M.D.
    > A holder of a BA in Education is worthless because she is not a certified teacher.
    > A holder of an MSL/JD in Law is worthless because he is not a licensed attorney
    >
    > Yet we have millions of:
    >
    > Unlicensed CPAs, they are called bookeepers.
    > Unlicensed M.D.s, they are called cancer researchers.
    > Unlicensed Teachers, they are assitant teachers,librarians and in some states contracted teachers.
    > Unlicensed JDs, they are called paralegals.
    >
    > If I had a nonbar JD and an employer(or anyone) laughed at me, I would ask one simple question. "Wheres yours? (eJD)
    >
    > Come on ladies and gentlemen, law students are supposed to be open minded. How can we help the clients if we can only
    > think in one direction.
    >
    >>>>
    >
    > On 4/22/08, It actually has no value at all wrote:
    >> Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    >> an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    >> to the bar but it is still a law degree
    >> after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    >> be shown the door.
    >>
    >> Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.
    >>
    >> Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.
    >>
    >> Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    >>> Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    >>> I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    >>> donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    >>> online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    >>> degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    >>> have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >>>
    >>> Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    >>> because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    >>> law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    >>> quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    >>> own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >>>> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>>>
    >>>> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>>>
    >>>> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >>>> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>>>
    >>>> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >>>> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>>>
    >>>> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>>>
    >>>> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >>>> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >>>> agencies.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>>>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>>>> certifications,
    >>>>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>>>> argument,
    >>>>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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