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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by JT on 4/22/08

    Where do you practice? Which law firm do you work for?

    On 4/22/08, yes you can do pro bono if admitted wrote:
    > nah I dont get it, I got both my J.D. and my LL.M degrees
    > at an ABA law school, WHERE BY THE WAY, they dont
    > have non bar law degrees. But thanks for your concern.
    >
    > On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    >> You're completely missing the point!! I passed the bar but don't practice, except for some pro bono stuff on the side for family
    >> and friends. The bar was actually a big waste of time and money. My greatest value was the "legal education" My employer didn't
    >> ask for a copy of my bar, but they did ask for a copy of my transcripts. The bottom line is that if you don't plan to practice law
    >> and only want the "EDUCATION" go for the eJD. Get it???
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, there is a huge difference wrote:
    >>> But was it a "non bar" "executive law degree?
    >>>
    >>> Or was it a bar qualifying non ABA degree?
    >>>
    >>> There is a huge difference. If you have a non ABA
    >>> law degree that "qualifies you for the bar even
    >>> if you arent a member of bar you are ok.
    >>>
    >>> its those stupid eJD or "non bar" degree from
    >>> Breyer or Novus that are worthless.
    >>>
    >>> As for a california "executive J.D. why bother?
    >>> just go one more year and get real J.D. degree
    >>> and become an attorney.
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    >>>> A teaching job!! lol You crack me up dude. I work for a major corp and my non ABA school got me there. You obviously don't
    >>>> have a clue.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/22/08, no value if unaccredited wrote:
    >>>>> an "executive" or "non bar" law degree from Breyer State or Novus
    >>>>> or any of these other non ABA accredited or non
    >>>>> regionally accredited law schools is toilet paper.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It will not get you a teaching job, it will not land you
    >>>>> a job in a major corporation because it will NOT be
    >>>>> accepted by Human Resources.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The only purpose of a "real" law degree is to be
    >>>>> an attorney.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That is why they dont have "non hospital" medical degrees
    >>>>> or "non surgery" dental degrees.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/22/08, Gary wrote:
    >>>>>> That's BS. If you complete your law degree from any law school accredited or not, it's still a law degree. You're not an
    >>>>>> attorney until you pass the bar, but you still have a JD. Your comments are rediculous. What are you...like 12?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/22/08, Ask employers or universities, they will say no wrote:
    >>>>>>> The issue here is bar v. non bar.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The purpose of a Juris Doctor degree is the professional
    >>>>>>> law degree for the purposes of being an attorney and
    >>>>>>> practicing law. True, one could graduate from Harvard Law School,
    >>>>>>> or Yale Law School, University of Southern California Law School,
    >>>>>>> University of Texas Law School, etc. and not take the bar and
    >>>>>>> yet the degree is regionally accredited and ABA accredited
    >>>>>>> and thus is very valuable and will be accepted in the real world.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The above mentioned law schools dont offer "non-bar" law degrees,
    >>>>>>> they are "real law schools".
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> An unaccredited J.D. degree is valuable if it allows the person
    >>>>>>> to be admitted to the bar and thus be an attorney.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> A so called executive Juris Doctor degree is useless.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Can not be used to get a teaching job, can not be used
    >>>>>>> to be an attorney and is NOT accepted at major fortunate
    >>>>>>> 500 companies "as a law degree".
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Just read some law books for knowledge, and print out
    >>>>>>> a nice looking Juris Doctor certificate on your laser printer
    >>>>>>> and save yourself the money.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Value is Relative wrote:
    >>>>>>>> A "nonbar Juris Doctorate" does have value, it represents that effort and study time invested in earning it. The
    >>>>>>>> individual who earned the executive JD or nonbar JD degree places a value on it. There are many Californians who
    >>>>>>>> earned nonbar JDs that would argue that the eJD has helped them in their careers. The study of law must be beneficial
    >>>>>>>> even when students don't graduate, most students learn something. I think the value is relative (Judge Cardozo).
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> By your reasoning:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in Accounting is worthless because she is not a licensed CPA.
    >>>>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in biology is worthless because he is not a licensed M.D.
    >>>>>>>> A holder of a BA in Education is worthless because she is not a certified teacher.
    >>>>>>>> A holder of an MSL/JD in Law is worthless because he is not a licensed attorney
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Yet we have millions of:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Unlicensed CPAs, they are called bookeepers.
    >>>>>>>> Unlicensed M.D.s, they are called cancer researchers.
    >>>>>>>> Unlicensed Teachers, they are assitant teachers,librarians and in some states contracted teachers.
    >>>>>>>> Unlicensed JDs, they are called paralegals.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> If I had a nonbar JD and an employer(or anyone) laughed at me, I would ask one simple question. "Wheres yours? (eJD)
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Come on ladies and gentlemen, law students are supposed to be open minded. How can we help the clients if we can only
    >>>>>>>> think in one direction.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, It actually has no value at all wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    >>>>>>>>> an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    >>>>>>>>> to the bar but it is still a law degree
    >>>>>>>>> after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    >>>>>>>>> be shown the door.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    >>>>>>>>>> I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    >>>>>>>>>> donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    >>>>>>>>>> online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    >>>>>>>>>> degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    >>>>>>>>>> have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    >>>>>>>>>> because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    >>>>>>>>>> law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    >>>>>>>>>> quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    >>>>>>>>>> own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >>>>>>>>>>> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >>>>>>>>>>> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >>>>>>>>>>> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >>>>>>>>>>> agencies.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>>>>>>>>>>> certifications,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>>>>>>>>>>> argument,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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