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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by if member of bar its not a non bar degree on 4/22/08

    Well now counselor, that was sort of misleading to all
    these unlearned readers. You were NOT a "non bar"
    or eJD law degree holder" so not really relevant for this discussion.

    On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    > Yes, you have to complete your course work in a prescribed time. I passed the fylx on the first attempt and the Ca bar on the
    > second try.
    >
    > On 4/22/08, non bar to bar track? without baby bar? wrote:
    >> Lets see you started out non bar and then took additional
    >> courses?
    >>
    >> Will you would have to have started all over. Cuz first
    >> you have to take baby bar and those course to qualified
    >> cant be non bar course. They time frame and course time
    >> matter in the bar track program.
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    >>> I started on the non bar track and then took the additional courses to sit for the bar.
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, dont be fooled by unaccredited degrees wrote:
    >>>> You claiming you passed the bar based on a "non bar"
    >>>> executive J.D. degree?
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    >>>>> Employers don't laugh at eJD's. In most cases it's 3-4 tough years of legal education while still working a full time
    >>>>> job. It shows mental toughness and perserverance. Anyone can sit in a classroom "full time", but try working full time,
    >>>>> raising a family and going to law school during your spare time. I attended an online law school while working full
    >>>>> time. I have since passed the bar, but don't practice law. I make way too much money to give up my career. Don't ever
    >>>>> let anyone tell you that a eJD is worthless.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/22/08, Value is Relative wrote:
    >>>>>> A "nonbar Juris Doctorate" does have value, it represents that effort and study time invested in earning it. The
    >>>>>> individual who earned the executive JD or nonbar JD degree places a value on it. There are many Californians who
    >>>>>> earned nonbar JDs that would argue that the eJD has helped them in their careers. The study of law must be beneficial
    >>>>>> even when students don't graduate, most students learn something. I think the value is relative (Judge Cardozo).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> By your reasoning:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in Accounting is worthless because she is not a licensed CPA.
    >>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in biology is worthless because he is not a licensed M.D.
    >>>>>> A holder of a BA in Education is worthless because she is not a certified teacher.
    >>>>>> A holder of an MSL/JD in Law is worthless because he is not a licensed attorney
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Yet we have millions of:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Unlicensed CPAs, they are called bookeepers.
    >>>>>> Unlicensed M.D.s, they are called cancer researchers.
    >>>>>> Unlicensed Teachers, they are assitant teachers,librarians and in some states contracted teachers.
    >>>>>> Unlicensed JDs, they are called paralegals.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If I had a nonbar JD and an employer(or anyone) laughed at me, I would ask one simple question. "Wheres yours? (eJD)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Come on ladies and gentlemen, law students are supposed to be open minded. How can we help the clients if we can only
    >>>>>> think in one direction.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/22/08, It actually has no value at all wrote:
    >>>>>>> Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    >>>>>>> an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    >>>>>>> to the bar but it is still a law degree
    >>>>>>> after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    >>>>>>> be shown the door.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    >>>>>>>> I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    >>>>>>>> donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    >>>>>>>> online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    >>>>>>>> degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    >>>>>>>> have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    >>>>>>>> because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    >>>>>>>> law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    >>>>>>>> quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    >>>>>>>> own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >>>>>>>>> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >>>>>>>>> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >>>>>>>>> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >>>>>>>>> agencies.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>>>>>>>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>>>>>>>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>>>>>>>>> certifications,
    >>>>>>>>>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>>>>>>>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>>>>>>>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>>>>>>>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>>>>>>>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>>>>>>>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>>>>>>>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>>>>>>>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>>>>>>>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>>>>>>>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>>>>>>>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>>>>>>>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>>>>>>>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>>>>>>>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>>>>>>>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>>>>>>>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>>>>>>>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>>>>>>>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>>>>>>>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>>>>>>>>> argument,
    >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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