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Re: Nonbar Juris Doctorate Degree has Value
Posted by KarenM on 4/22/08

    A friend of mine went to Santa Clara and said that she transfered after her second year. Not sure why, she just didn't like it. Nice
    campus though. I attended Stanford. When did you graduate?

    On 4/22/08, I have real law degrees from Santa Clara University wrote:
    > I have a J.D. from an ABA accredited and regionally accredited
    > law school and my LL.M is from the same.
    >
    > What do you have one of thos British American Univeristy pieces of paper?
    >
    > On 4/22/08, Sue wrote:
    >> BTW regional is not ABA. Get your facts straight. Are you in middle school?
    >>
    >> On 4/22/08, regionally yes non regional no wrote:
    >>> IF at a regionally accredited and ABA law school or AMA
    >>> accredited medical school, yes.
    >>>
    >>> at an unaccredited law school non bar is useless.
    >>>
    >>> and if from Novus or Breyer State there is enough
    >>> negative information on the web for human resources
    >>> about those two joke of a schools that you would be
    >>> better off printing a new looking Juris Doctor degree
    >>> with old english fonts directly from your laster printer.
    >>>
    >>> On 4/22/08, Sue wrote:
    >>>> It's like getting a PhD and not teaching or an MD and not going through your internship and practicing medicine. It's the same
    >>>> thing.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/22/08, Brent wrote:
    >>>>> I work for the fed govt and have an eJD. While I'm not in the legal profession, my law degree has helped with promotions
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/22/08, not accepted at regional accredited schools wrote:
    >>>>>> Contact ANY regionally accredited University
    >>>>>> and ask them if they will accept your "non bar"
    >>>>>> "executive" Juris Doctor degree for teaching or
    >>>>>> for bases for admission as having a graduate
    >>>>>> degree. Regional University DO NOT ACCEPT
    >>>>>> non-bar "law degrees"
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/22/08, JT wrote:
    >>>>>>> That's crazy!!!! It's still a law degree, bar or non bar. It's a matter of being an attorney or not
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Ask employers or universities, they will say no wrote:
    >>>>>>>> The issue here is bar v. non bar.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The purpose of a Juris Doctor degree is the professional
    >>>>>>>> law degree for the purposes of being an attorney and
    >>>>>>>> practicing law. True, one could graduate from Harvard Law School,
    >>>>>>>> or Yale Law School, University of Southern California Law School,
    >>>>>>>> University of Texas Law School, etc. and not take the bar and
    >>>>>>>> yet the degree is regionally accredited and ABA accredited
    >>>>>>>> and thus is very valuable and will be accepted in the real world.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The above mentioned law schools dont offer "non-bar" law degrees,
    >>>>>>>> they are "real law schools".
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> An unaccredited J.D. degree is valuable if it allows the person
    >>>>>>>> to be admitted to the bar and thus be an attorney.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> A so called executive Juris Doctor degree is useless.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Can not be used to get a teaching job, can not be used
    >>>>>>>> to be an attorney and is NOT accepted at major fortunate
    >>>>>>>> 500 companies "as a law degree".
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Just read some law books for knowledge, and print out
    >>>>>>>> a nice looking Juris Doctor certificate on your laser printer
    >>>>>>>> and save yourself the money.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Value is Relative wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> A "nonbar Juris Doctorate" does have value, it represents that effort and study time invested in earning it. The
    >>>>>>>>> individual who earned the executive JD or nonbar JD degree places a value on it. There are many Californians who
    >>>>>>>>> earned nonbar JDs that would argue that the eJD has helped them in their careers. The study of law must be beneficial
    >>>>>>>>> even when students don't graduate, most students learn something. I think the value is relative (Judge Cardozo).
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> By your reasoning:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in Accounting is worthless because she is not a licensed CPA.
    >>>>>>>>> A holder of a BA/MS in biology is worthless because he is not a licensed M.D.
    >>>>>>>>> A holder of a BA in Education is worthless because she is not a certified teacher.
    >>>>>>>>> A holder of an MSL/JD in Law is worthless because he is not a licensed attorney
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Yet we have millions of:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Unlicensed CPAs, they are called bookeepers.
    >>>>>>>>> Unlicensed M.D.s, they are called cancer researchers.
    >>>>>>>>> Unlicensed Teachers, they are assitant teachers,librarians and in some states contracted teachers.
    >>>>>>>>> Unlicensed JDs, they are called paralegals.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> If I had a nonbar JD and an employer(or anyone) laughed at me, I would ask one simple question. "Wheres yours? (eJD)
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Come on ladies and gentlemen, law students are supposed to be open minded. How can we help the clients if we can only
    >>>>>>>>> think in one direction.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, It actually has no value at all wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Such a "non bar" degree is useless in the real world. You tell
    >>>>>>>>>> an Employer your "law degree" doesnt allow you to be admitted
    >>>>>>>>>> to the bar but it is still a law degree
    >>>>>>>>>> after Human Resources stops laughing, you will
    >>>>>>>>>> be shown the door.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Further, no goverment agency accepts "non bar" law degrees.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Save yourself the money a "law degree" from Breyer State is worthless.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Print yourself a Juris Doctor degree on your laster printer.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Eli wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Most online distance learning law schools in California were awarding the nonbar Juris Dotorate until 12/31/2007.
    >>>>>>>>>>> I believe the CalBar website now says that the nonbar JD cannot be awarded by California law schools. Calbar rules
    >>>>>>>>>>> donot impact out of state law schools. Breyer State University still offers a nonbar Juris Doctorate. Some CAl
    >>>>>>>>>>> online DL law schools now offer nonbar law students a Masters of Law (MSL) or a Masters of Science in Law. The MSL
    >>>>>>>>>>> degree is now awarded to students that previously would have been admitted to the nonbar JD programs and would
    >>>>>>>>>>> have earned a nonbar or eJD law degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Also, the value of the MSL or the nonbar JDs is not in that they will qualify students to take the bar exam,
    >>>>>>>>>>> because they won't. The value of the MSL or nonbar JD is in the completing of a law study program. This study of
    >>>>>>>>>>> law in nonbar programs provide a structured legal curriculum that can prepare students for collateral law-type or
    >>>>>>>>>>> quasi-law professions. Some students just want the legal knowledge for personal satisfaction or to use in their
    >>>>>>>>>>> own business. Yet some other students just want to be able to say that they earned a JD degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, A real J.D. and a real LL.M here wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who on earth would go to Breyer State and get a "non Bar" "Law degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> What is next; Breyer State offers "non Hospital" "Medical degree" ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a non bar Juris Doctor degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The Juris Doctor is for the practice of law and the Doctor of Medicine
    >>>>>>>>>>>> degree is for the practice of medicine.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The state of bar of california does NOT allow the awarding of the Juris Doctor
    >>>>>>>>>>>> degree unless it qualfies the person to take the General Bar Exam.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Check the Calif bar website law school rules.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of paying for Breyer State "juris doctor" degree just print one out
    >>>>>>>>>>>> on your laser printer. It will have same acceptance to employers and government
    >>>>>>>>>>>> agencies.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you don't think there's a difference between AWARDING an honorary degree and SELLING an honorary degree?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the rest of the world considers Breyer State a diploma mill and that's what matters.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked this out Alan. From their site:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "1). An honorary degree and not an earned academic degree - interesting....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2). That they agree to sign the initials Ph.D(hon) in cases where they use this honor. - hmmm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3). That the honorary doctorate degree does not meet any type of requirements for licensing or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any type of specific employment. - Go on.....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4). That the candidate abides by the university policy to never misrepresent the degree, and are clear as to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the designation of the degree as honorary in any and all uses of the degree title." - Wiw it doesn't sound
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like you can use this degree for anything in the job market or in the academic world?!?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like it might be a problem here..... AND wait there's more. LSU The national champions in NCAA
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> football also sell degrees too! http://www.lsuhsc.edu/no/administration/pm/pm-7.aspx Just read here. Wait
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait wait a minute... the team they played Ohio State...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://senate.osu.edu/committees/Honorary_Degrees/HDGuidelines.html Oh My God Alan.... They all must be
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma mills because all three universities HAVE HONORARY DOCTORATES?!?!?!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let me anticipate your response here: LSU and OSU selling honorary doctorates is ok right? Because they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are well known brick and mortar universities?? However BSU isn't because they are online? Plus they also
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket all the tuition too from the honor doc? Well read this:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Upon final approval by the administration, the candidate for the honorary doctorate degree will make a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution to the University of $750.00. This contribution will be shared with various charitable
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations as selected by the administration."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm this sounds like a scam here.... an honorary doctorate program offered from a university?!? A person
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pays for a diploma that says "Honorary Doctorate" on it. That person proves they have experience to warrant
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such an honor, then is told that it is not an academic degree and will not qualify for licensing... AND THEN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Breyer State gives the tuition away to charitable organizations!?!?! GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!! Alan you have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done it... My mind has been changed. I am withdrawing from all courses and demanding my money back this very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment! You sir are a crusader of education, a paladin of knowledge, & a protector of learners everywhere.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't get a metal for this I will be shocked! -me rolls eyes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously do you work for another online university? Is Breyer State stealing your thunder? Did Breyer
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> State sleep with your girlfriend? If this was the best reason you could come up with to defend your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> argument,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to take anything you say seriously from now on and neither should anyone else.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Breyer State does sell degrees. Just check out their link to honorary degrees.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.breyerstate.com/honorary-info.htm
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/08, Ed wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is one way to look at it... However did you ever think that if it doesn't quack, can't swim, and it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't served on Christmas day that it might not be a duck? Think about it, Breyer State does not sell
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their degrees, you work hard to earn them, and they are up front with their accreditation from the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning. You can't claim a cow is a duck and you can't claim Breyer State is a diploma mill. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff said about Breyer is gossip pure and simple, there is nothing to back these claims up besides the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that they are not approved by the USDE. And there are plenty of schools that are not government
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved and yet no one gives them flack.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/08, Alan C wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you do a lot of work for a school that most of the world considers to be a diploma mill? My
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is why? There are many other distance alternatives.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan C
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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