Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD

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I don't know if that is necessary false. I applied for a tax deduction for my studies at West
Coast School of Law, who is in the same accreditation boat as NWCU Law. Anyone who is not a
lawyer can use this as training for a new job. Not everyone is a patent agent.

Victoria Weaver

On 4/19/09, Li nda wrote:
> It still bothers me that they keep the incorrect income tax deduction information on their
> website. If they get something as simple as this wrong, can we have confidence in their
> other legal conclusions?
>
> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>> Depends on what you are comparing it against. I think it is, considering that many DL law
>> students get what they put in to online education. What you get at a school like Concord
> is
>> bells and whistles. Concord always brags that students who get a B+ average in thier
>> program pass the bar with flying colors (like 80&37; of the time, I think). If a student
>> actually does the studying at NWCU Law, then yes, they will pass.
>>
>> They have been around a lot longer, and one year they even beat some ABA schools on the
> bar
>> exam (in terms of percentage passing rate).
>>
>> Victoria Weaver
>>
>> On 4/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>> According to the State Bar stats, for the past two years less than one in four of NWCU
>>> graduates have passed the bar on the first attempt. Is this considered pretty good?
>>>
>>> On 4/17/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>>>> What do you base that on? Certainly not baby bar or bar passage rate. If you were to
>>>> base it on those, you would have to concede that Concord or Oakbrook are at the top of
>>>> the curve, but you pay through the nose at Concord and Oakbrook requires an in-
>>>> residence requirement. NWCU has pretty good baby bar and bar passage rates, and is
>>> half
>>>> the price of a lot of the other schools. I chose to transfer to NWCU because of the
>>>> good pass rates, the price, and the fact it has been around for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> ALU has high tuition and the bar pass rates are less than stellar. If you were to
>>>> actually give some reasons, then perhaps we might consider agreeing with you. I am not
>>>> one who advocates DETC accreditation, but that is actually another thing against ALU
>>>> (because Taft and Concord have that designation).
>>>>
>>>> Victoria Weaver
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/17/09, Mel wrote:
>>>>> The only good school is Abraham Lincoln University School of Law.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>> A good example of what I was writing follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question
>>>>>> I have read the general rule of no deduction for law school, but I haven't read
>>>>>> anything for my particular situation. I am a registered patent agent with the
>>>>>> United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). My point is that there is
>>>>>> nothing a patent attorney can do with the USPTO with patents that I cannot do as a
>>>>>> patent agent. I have written patents since 2005, I became a registered patent
>>>>>> agent in 2008, and am now in law school for one reason: increase my earnings
>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I am finished with law school I am going to be in the same industry and trade
>>>>>> I was before law school. I realize that law school could generally "qualify me
>>>>>> for a new trade or business" but at the same time, law school is not qualifying me
>>>>>> anymore than I am already to work with the USPTO. The USPTO doesn't really care
>>>>>> if I am an agent or an attorney. Both can have clients, both can write the patent
>>>>>> applications, both can file the patent apps with the USPTO, and both can prosecute
>>>>>> the patent apps through several office actions until the application is dropped or
>>>>>> published as a patent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in your opinion, do I have a shot at a legitimate deduction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>> Thanks for your question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you cannot deduct your law school costs. It does qualify you for a new trade
>>>>>> or business whether you ever pursue that or not. The IRS has ruled specifically
>>>>>> in such situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Stancil, CPA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>> First, please excuse the typos. Some, but not all are because the Board
>>>>>>> apparently won't allow some words. I have no reason why but on average one in
>>>>>>> three of my posts go through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn’t referring to Section 162. But since you brought it up, law school
>>>>>>> expenses are never deductible under 162 because it qualifies a person for a new
>>>>>>> profession. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases in this area and the
>>>>>>> taxpayer always loses. Don’t trust me, research it. Or ask NWCU to give you
>>>>>>> some cases. I did and they couldn’t.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tax credits are only available to students enrolled in schools that are
>>>>>>> accredited, as defined by the Department of Education. You can view the Taf t
>>>>>>> website for more specific details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I wrote earlier, I don't think the NWCU is a bad option for some. But they,
>>>>>>> and you, need to get some facts straight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact that they continue to give incorrect tax info is worrisome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
>>>>>>>> NWCU is accredited in the sense that it is "registered" with the CBE. (LOL)It is
>>>>>>>> not "accredited" in the sense which you are speaking, but it does not matter.
>>>>> (Except if you want an accredited degree)
>>>>>>>> Do you now (spelled correctly) see my point. The tuition can still be deducted
>>>>>>>> for tax purposes--here is the info from the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tax Deduction
>>>>>>>> A tax deduction may be allowed for expenses undertaken to: Maintain or improve
>>>>>>>> skills required in one's employment, trade or business, or Meet specific
>>>>>>>> requirements of an employer or a law imposed as a condition to retention of
>>>>>>>> employment, job status or rate of compensation. (See Treasury Regulation 1.
>>>>>>> 162-
>>>>>>>> 5.) (My tax man is H & R Boock)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do your research, and learn how to spell. I understand that an occasional
>>>>>>> stray
>>>>>>>> key may be hit, but you are incorrectly spelling way too many words in a
>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> sentence. It is irritating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tree but NWCU is NOT accredited. Do you know see my point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Tax credits can be used from any accredited school. There are no strong
>>>>>>>>>> points in your argument. NWCU Law is the best around in terms of quality
>>>>>>>>>> and price.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, L inda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I stand corrected with respect to con cord. But T aft is not three
>>>>>>>>>>> times and factoring in tax credits the difference is not all that much
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/09, GET NEW INFORMATION wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/09, Linda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on information I received from all three school, the bar pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate over the past five years is lower at NWCU than the other two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited schools. And according to the websites, the tuition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not three times as much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is 2850 a year for starters, Concord is 9k+, so I your right....
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than 3 x's as much and as far as bar passage rates again you
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong especially w/ regard to the FYLSE... go to calbar.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/09, Linda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could do worst than Northwestern but I suggest that you also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check out the other schools, particularly COn cord and Taf t.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both offer Federal student aid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/09, questions wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering Northwest California Law School for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance learning Law degree. I can not move at this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I can not quit my job, I have a family who needs me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. I live in Maine and I am about 6 hours from the law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. Has anyone gone/going to NWCULAW? I understand it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unaccredited with the ABA and I understand all I must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do to pass the bar and practice law later. Any help would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great thanks so much.