Re: NWCULAW IS NO GOOD

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why is that? Has NWCU done something illegal?

On 4/20/09, Mel wrote:
> "if I want to put any education costs as a business expense because I
> feel it will advance/grow my business I will and I have."
>
> If you don't care about following the law, maybe NWCU is a good place for you.
>
>
> On 4/20/09, Go pay more... wrote:
>> Ok since we all want to be lawyers, let's look at a few facts... as a DL the 1st hurdle is the FYLSE or
>> the Baby Bar, not the tax return...
>>
>> most recently October 2008 the results are as follows:
>>
>> Taft: 35 took 5 passed 17&37;
>> Concord: 196 took 28 passed 14.3&37; WTF???
>> NWCU: 58 took 2 passed 3&37;;
>>
>> so why you may want to argue taxes, writeoff's, and any other BS you can muster up to justify paying
>> between 65 and 200 &37; more to not go to NWCU the facts indicate you will not be at any better of an
>> advantage unless you consider having less money an advantage... while I realize their are other factors
>> to consider, w/ out passing the BB you're out!
>>
>> While you may think this tax issue effects the validity of NWCU (the oldest DL in CA) the facts
> indicate
>> you are wrong and wasting everyone's time...
>>
>> while not relevant to a LS forum, if I want to put any education costs as a business expense because I
>> feel it will advance/grow my business I will and I have.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/20/09, Linda wrote:
>>> My husband is a CPA who has researched this forward and backward. He even contacted NWCU last year
>>> and they admitted the information was in error said they would correct the website. Apparently they
>>> haven't.
>>>
>>> On 4/20/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>>>> Are you a CPA or a tax preparer?
>>>>
>>>> Victoria Weaver
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/19/09, Linda wrote:
>>>>> Please, don't trust me on the tax issue. (I only have 15 years of experience in taxes.) Do the
>>>>> research yourself. No deduction is ever possible under section 162.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know if that is necessary false. I applied for a tax deduction for my studies at West
>>>>>> Coast School of Law, who is in the same accreditation boat as NWCU Law. Anyone who is not a
>>>>>> lawyer can use this as training for a new job. Not everyone is a patent agent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victoria Weaver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/19/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>> It still bothers me that they keep the incorrect income tax deduction information on their
>>>>>>> website. If they get something as simple as this wrong, can we have confidence in their
>>>>>>> other legal conclusions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/19/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>>>>>>>> Depends on what you are comparing it against. I think it is, considering that many DL law
>>>>>>>> students get what they put in to online education. What you get at a school like Concord
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> bells and whistles. Concord always brags that students who get a B+ average in thier
>>>>>>>> program pass the bar with flying colors (like 80&37; of the time, I think). If a student
>>>>>>>> actually does the studying at NWCU Law, then yes, they will pass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have been around a lot longer, and one year they even beat some ABA schools on the
>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>> exam (in terms of percentage passing rate).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victoria Weaver
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> According to the State Bar stats, for the past two years less than one in four of NWCU
>>>>>>>>> graduates have passed the bar on the first attempt. Is this considered pretty good?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/09, Victoria Weaver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What do you base that on? Certainly not baby bar or bar passage rate. If you were to
>>>>>>>>>> base it on those, you would have to concede that Concord or Oakbrook are at the top of
>>>>>>>>>> the curve, but you pay through the nose at Concord and Oakbrook requires an in-
>>>>>>>>>> residence requirement. NWCU has pretty good baby bar and bar passage rates, and is
>>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>>>> the price of a lot of the other schools. I chose to transfer to NWCU because of the
>>>>>>>>>> good pass rates, the price, and the fact it has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ALU has high tuition and the bar pass rates are less than stellar. If you were to
>>>>>>>>>> actually give some reasons, then perhaps we might consider agreeing with you. I am not
>>>>>>>>>> one who advocates DETC accreditation, but that is actually another thing against ALU
>>>>>>>>>> (because Taft and Concord have that designation).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victoria Weaver
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/09, Mel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The only good school is Abraham Lincoln University School of Law.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A good example of what I was writing follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Question
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read the general rule of no deduction for law school, but I haven't read
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for my particular situation. I am a registered patent agent with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). My point is that there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing a patent attorney can do with the USPTO with patents that I cannot do as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> patent agent. I have written patents since 2005, I became a registered patent
>>>>>>>>>>>> agent in 2008, and am now in law school for one reason: increase my earnings
>>>>>>>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I am finished with law school I am going to be in the same industry and trade
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was before law school. I realize that law school could generally "qualify me
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a new trade or business" but at the same time, law school is not qualifying me
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore than I am already to work with the USPTO. The USPTO doesn't really care
>>>>>>>>>>>> if I am an agent or an attorney. Both can have clients, both can write the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, both can file the patent apps with the USPTO, and both can prosecute
>>>>>>>>>>>> the patent apps through several office actions until the application is dropped or
>>>>>>>>>>>> published as a patent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So in your opinion, do I have a shot at a legitimate deduction?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you cannot deduct your law school costs. It does qualify you for a new trade
>>>>>>>>>>>> or business whether you ever pursue that or not. The IRS has ruled specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>> in such situations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Stancil, CPA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, please excuse the typos. Some, but not all are because the Board
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently won't allow some words. I have no reason why but on average one in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> three of my posts go through.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn’t referring to Section 162. But since you brought it up, law school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expenses are never deductible under 162 because it qualifies a person for a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> profession. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases in this area and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxpayer always loses. Don’t trust me, research it. Or ask NWCU to give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some cases. I did and they couldn’t.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The tax credits are only available to students enrolled in schools that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited, as defined by the Department of Education. You can view the Taf t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website for more specific details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I wrote earlier, I don't think the NWCU is a bad option for some. But they,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you, need to get some facts straight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that they continue to give incorrect tax info is worrisome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is accredited in the sense that it is "registered" with the CBE. (LOL)It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not "accredited" in the sense which you are speaking, but it does not matter.
>>>>>>>>>>> (Except if you want an accredited degree)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you now (spelled correctly) see my point. The tuition can still be deducted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for tax purposes--here is the info from the website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tax Deduction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A tax deduction may be allowed for expenses undertaken to: Maintain or improve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills required in one's employment, trade or business, or Meet specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements of an employer or a law imposed as a condition to retention of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employment, job status or rate of compensation. (See Treasury Regulation 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 162-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.) (My tax man is H & R Boock)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do your research, and learn how to spell. I understand that an occasional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key may be hit, but you are incorrectly spelling way too many words in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence. It is irritating.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/16/09, Li nda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tree but NWCU is NOT accredited. Do you know see my point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, Res Ipsa Loco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tax credits can be used from any accredited school. There are no strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points in your argument. NWCU Law is the best around in terms of quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and price.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Res Ipsa Loco
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/09, L inda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stand corrected with respect to con cord. But T aft is not three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times and factoring in tax credits the difference is not all that much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/09, GET NEW INFORMATION wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/09, Linda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on information I received from all three school, the bar pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate over the past five years is lower at NWCU than the other two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accredited schools. And according to the websites, the tuition is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not three times as much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NWCU is 2850 a year for starters, Concord is 9k+, so I your right....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than 3 x's as much and as far as bar passage rates again you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong especially w/ regard to the FYLSE... go to calbar.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/09, Linda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could do worst than Northwestern but I suggest that you also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check out the other schools, particularly COn cord and Taf t.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both offer Federal student aid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/09, questions wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering Northwest California Law School for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance learning Law degree. I can not move at this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I can not quit my job, I have a family who needs me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home. I live in Maine and I am about 6 hours from the law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school. Has anyone gone/going to NWCULAW? I understand it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unaccredited with the ABA and I understand all I must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do to pass the bar and practice law later. Any help would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great thanks so much.