Re: Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
Karen

On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>
> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>> she's not a California attorney.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>> website?
>>>
>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>
>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>
>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>
>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>> financials.
>>>>
>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>
>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>
>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>
>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>