Re: Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.

On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
> They do have some graduates that have
> passed the California Bar !
>
> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>
>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>
>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>> accreditation.
>>>
>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>> required for DETC.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>