Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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I'll pass this thread along to DETC. I expect that the DETC Governors will be interested in what Cal Southern says
that the Governors must do.

On 12/28/09, it is based on many things wrote:
> Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.
>
> they accredit the whole school.
>
> and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.
>
> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
>> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>>
>> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
>> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>>
>> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>>
>>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>>
>>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>