Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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what is your interest here? are you mentally sick or something?

On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
> I'll pass this thread along to DETC. I expect that the DETC Governors will be interested in what Cal Southern says
> that the Governors must do.
>
> On 12/28/09, it is based on many things wrote:
>> Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.
>>
>> they accredit the whole school.
>>
>> and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.
>>
>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
>>> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>>>
>>> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
>>> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>>>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>>>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>>>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>>>
>>>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>>>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>>>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>>>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>