Re: No Cal Southern DETC Accreditation

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Hey moron, I don't work for Cal So. My only point is that how can you claim that they won't get accreditation? Why are you so
negative? You must be a big failure in life. Must be from a broken family of trash.

On 12/30/09, Larry wrote:
> If you don't have any information why are you and others claiming that Cal Southern will be accredited? Who but a Cal
> Southern salesperson would make such a claim?
>
> On 12/30/09, Larry the moron wrote:
>> No you dumbfk, I don't have any information. >
>> On 12/29/09, Larry wrote:
>>> My interest is the truth. Aren't you the one with the "inside" information?
>>>
>>> On 12/29/09, Larry the moron wrote:
>>>> what is your interest here? are you mentally sick or something?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>> I'll pass this thread along to DETC. I expect that the DETC Governors will be interested in what Cal Southern says
>>>>> that the Governors must do.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/09, it is based on many things wrote:
>>>>>> Because DETC does NOT accredit a degree or a degree program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they accredit the whole school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and Cal Southern will be accredited by June 2010.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/28/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>> There could be a very good reason why Cal Southern hasn't had anyone pass the bar on the first attempt in over ten
>>>>>>> years. Only a fool would enroll in such a program in the first place. So you can't blame Cal Southern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously, law schools are measured by how many graduates pass on the first attempt. And Cal Southern has none,
>>>>>>> zero. Concord has nearly 50&37; and taft not far behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea what DETC will do, but if they accredit Cal Southern it will be a low point in their history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/26/09, They have some graduates that passed bar. wrote:
>>>>>>>> Larry Larry, Larry, I didnt say first time, I SAID AND I WILL SAY IT
>>>>>>>> AGAIN, CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE
>>>>>>>> 1978 AND HAS HAD A HUMBER OF GRADUATES PASS THE CALIFORNIA BAR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You made a weak attempt to try and make it sound like
>>>>>>>> the school never in its history had a graduate pass
>>>>>>>> the bar. It is more then a law school and DETC doesnt
>>>>>>>> grant accreditation based on bar passage rates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/26/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> According to the Bar stats, no Cal Southern (SCUPS) graduate has passed the first time in over ten years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/26/09, Some have passed Cal Bar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> They do have some graduates that have
>>>>>>>>>> passed the California Bar !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Even with DETC, why would anyone attend a school where none of its graduates can pass the bar exam?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, It will be accreditated wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCUPS was denied but Cal Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>> is getting DETC before the new applicant list in June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>> and that is just the way it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They survived (2) cuts and are on their way to DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have different management for the accreditation
>>>>>>>>>>>> and different programs and doctorates were removed
>>>>>>>>>>>> except for behavorial program and law program as
>>>>>>>>>>>> required for DETC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/09, Cal Southern Denied DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern (then SCUPS) is the only school in the past ten years to be denied accreditation by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC Council. It happened in 2003. Most schools (like Lincoln) simply withdraw their applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than fact a denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not January? That's the next DETC Governor's meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/09, DETC accreditation for Cal not for ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC accreditation by June 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern's Dean can't even pass the California bar examination. Check the bar's website -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she's not a California attorney.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Where did you get a copy of their financials? Are they posted on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just contacted Lincoln and they withdrew their application. They didn't think DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation justifies the cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Just cuz you dont like it...... they still beat ALU wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not affiliated with Cal Southern in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bozo, did you not notice that Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law school, which by the way has more graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passed the bar then does Cal Southern, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILED the last cut and are no longer posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the DETC website as an applicant school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Southern is getting accreditation based on many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other factors not related to the bar pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also based on great school of behavorial sciences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progam which has been state approved for a long long time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the school has been around since 1978 and they have strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be accredited when next announcement is made!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you take the time to read the DETC standards. They're on the DETC website. Based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your poor research, you must be a Cal Southern law student!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you you think this means?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year people were making the same claims about Lincoln. And what happened to then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're a sales rep for Cal Southern you're not fooling anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n 12/21/09, They will get it...........only passed 2 cuts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They do not accredit law schools based on bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage rates. California Southern U. will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get DETC accreditation BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU faied the last cut which was done right before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dec 2009, Cal Southern made the cut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject Over !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quoted directly from DETC's website. If DETC doen't follow its own rules then DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation must not be worth anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Cal Southern will get DETC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are graduates of California Southern University / Southern California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University for Professional Studies that have passed the bar, not alot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but DETC is not accreditating schools based on any law school's pass rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is based on being around since 1978, being well-established, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financials, solid education programs and a number of other factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being a law school and its bar pass rate is NOT a factor, call DETC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and they will tell you bar pass rate is not the accreditation deciding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cal Soutehr will be DETC accredited BEFORE next round which happens in June 2010, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already has survived 2 critical cuts of other applicant schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/09, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DETC does look at bar pass rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The graduates’ success in passing outside independent assessments must be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to other appropriately accredited education providers that are similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nature and level.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Karen is correct and no Cal Southern students pass the bar I don't see how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be accredited. Same for Lincoln Concord has something like a 50&37; pass rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, DETC for Cal Southern University wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of the time frame they have had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their application in the process and because in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several months posted on the DETC website the number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and names of active applicants have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools either pulled out or were denied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University has already made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 critical cuts.......they are a shoe in for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accreditation now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. What makes you think that accreditation is near?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Cal Souther will get accredited wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Southern University used to be called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Southern California University for Professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Studies and have been around since 1978 offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a variety of degree problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DETC doesnt give accreditation based on bar passage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rates and most likely California Southern University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be accredited BEFORE June 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/09, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never heard of California Southern University. It looks like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once called Southern Cal University Professional Studies. If so, I can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see anywhere on the Cal Bar website that the school has ever had anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass the bar exam on the first try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would DETC consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, only 1 law school up for accreditation wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stunned?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALU doesnt deserve DETC accreditation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the law school that is very, very, close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to DETC accrediation is California Southern University.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will be announced soon !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/09, Larry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stunned. It looks like you're right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>