Re: Executive JD Programs Equal to MBAs in Law

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On 1/03/10, Jeff wrote:
> Please excuse Dom. He seems to be an angry individual. Usually it is best to ignore
his rants.
>
> On 1/03/10, no such thing as a MBA in law wrote:
>> The J.D. degree is a professional degree that prepares one
>> to practice law. A "executive" JD degree is a useless piece
>> of paper, that is why there is no such thing as "executive"
>> medical degree, "executive" dental degree, "executive"
>> pharmacy degree.
>>
>> Come on, dude, get over it. The "executive" J.D. was
>> created for the babies that can not pass the 1st year
>> law student exam but want to walk around telling everyone
>> yea I have a Juris Doctorate, I cant practice law but
>> you can call me Dr. LOL
>>
>>
>> "I believe those who complain about the Executive JD, and the online JD Degrees do
>> so because they believe it is a short cut, or are enemies of online programs.
>>
>> Online education is the future."
>>
>>
>> On 1/02/10, Cedric Johnson wrote:
>>> Many of the post to this feed do not reflect America as a free land. There are
>> many that have a very narrow
>>> approach when it comes to legal education. The ABA accredits law school, the fact
>> that the schools already
>>> have regional accreditation is not an issue, given that the ABA is a national
>> accreditation body, and a
>>> monopoly. There are stand-alone law school, such as the Phoenix Law School, which
>> only have ABA national
>>> accreditation.
>>>
>>> The fact that graduates from non-aba schools take and pass the bar lends
>> credibility to the schools. America
>>> is a free land, and if any person wants to acquire a law degree and not practice
>> that is their right, and many
>>> do this year end and year out. A great many of our political leaders have law
>> degrees, some have practiced,
>>> and some have not.
>>>
>>> Do you really believe our current president attended Harvard Law to practice, or
>> perhaps he had some higher
>>> goal in mind?
>>>
>>> At any rate, it has to be much more difficult to attend an online law school
>> given, success rest entirely on the
>>> student. You don't have the face to face contact, and help that is available from
>> a traditional law school. One
>>> must have that extra drive to succeed given that no one is pushing you forward
>> other than self.
>>>
>>> The JD and Executive JD are both JD's, earned from hard work, no matter if it is
>> traditional or online. Has
>>> anyone denigrated the online Executive MBA's from top Tier One universities as
>> less than an MBA.
>>>
>>> I believe those who complain about the Executive JD, and the online JD Degrees do
>> so because they believe it
>>> is a short cut, or are enemies of online programs.
>>>
>>> Online education is the future.
>>>
>>> On 11/27/09, A JD May Equal a JD wrote:
>>>> You can say what you want, but apparently to some state bar examiners and some
>>>> supreme courts(Mass). A JD is a JD, " if it allows you to take the bar its
>>>> good". The fuyture no doubt will bring no states allowing on-line JD sudents to
>>>> take bar exams.
>>>> really lets be realistic a JD graduate from a ABA school who does not pass the
>>>> bar is just that, a JD grad from an ABA school.
>>>> To be a lawyer you must pass the bar or your just a law graduate. Do we know
>>>> anyone who graduated fro an ABA law school but could not pass the bat even after
>>>> multiple attempts. I know several who fall in that category, graduating from an
>>>> ABA law school does not make you a lawyer. I say embrace online law education,
>>>> that goes for the ABA schools too.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/27/09, A J.D. is not equal to but higher then a MBA wrote:
>>>>> WRONG !
>>>>>
>>>>> An eJ.D. degree from Concord is NOT a regionally accredited
>>>>> degree and nor is their bar qualifying J.D. degree a regionally
>>>>> accredited degree.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. J.D. degrees are only "accredited"
>>>>> in the strictest sense of the term "accredited" from the American Bar
>>>>> Association.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/26/09, MS from Carolina wrote:
>>>>>> It appears the opponents of Concord Law School's JD program have a somewhat
>>>>>> outdated view. Check out the latest update on Wikipedia's entry for Concord
>>>>>> Law School (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concord_Law_School). It turns
>>>>>> out that four Concord grads were admitted to practice before the US Supreme
>>>>>> Court in March 2008 (see http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/computer-internet-
>>>>>> law/7749376-1.html). Perhaps more importantly, the Supreme Court of
>>>>>> Massachusetts ordered that state's Board of Bar Examiners to allow a Concord
>>>>>> grad to sit for their bar exam in January 2009. This Concord grad promptly
>>>>>> passed the Massachusetts bar in February 2009 (see
>>>>>> http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_cbj.jsp?
>>>>>> sCategoryPath=/Home/Attorney&37;20Resources/California&37;20Bar&37;
>>>>>> 20Journal/January2009&sCatHtmlPath=cbj/2009-
>>>>>> 01_TH_05_onlinelawschoolgrad.html&sCatHtmlTitle=Top&37;20Headlines). In
>>>>> short,
>>>>>> it appears any determined individual can attend Concord's JD program and
>>>>>> enjoy a reasonably good chance of gaining admittance to just about any state
>>>>>> bar in the US (as the Massachusetts Supreme Court will be considered
>>>>>> persuasive authority on the subject).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the debate on an eJD, there is only one relevant point. Concord's eJD
>>>>>> is a professional doctorate degree. And since Concord is part of Kaplan
>>>>>> University, a regionally accredited university, Concord's eJD is a
>>>>>> regionally accredited, professional doctorate degree. For a number of
>>>>>> positions in higher education, public administration and corporations in
>>>>>> general, this is a very valuable credential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/09/09, MBA from Wharton not as good as eJD? lol wrote:
>>>>>>> "> Having said that, their are many a US law student who go to law school
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> never intend to practice law. These folks just enjoy the academic
>>>>>>>> challenge or seek a resume enhancing degree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AND THOSE PEOPLE GO TO A REAL LAW SCHOOL ACCREDITED BY THE ABA, REGIONALLY
>>>>>>> ACCREDITED AND A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF LAW SCHOOLS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not some mickey mouse law school in a guy's spare bedroom in his house, lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An accredited MBA from any accredited university is worth more then any
>>>>>>> toilet paper unccredited eJD degree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/09/09, Chip St.. John wrote:
>>>>>>>> I look at EJD or Executive Juris Doctor degrees as a sort of masters
>>>>>>>> degree in law for lay people or those that don't want to practice law,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> just want the legal knowledge an training
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should all take note that while the Juris Doctor law degree in the US
>>>>>>>> has been elevated to a higher level degree, in many countries the first
>>>>>>>> law degree is usually an LLB, an undergraduate degree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/09/09, Dom wrote:
>>>>>>>>> EJDs have been very useful to many Americans. I would highly recommend
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 6/08/09, degree not meant for a CEO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> eJD degrees are unaccredited and thus useless in
>>>>>>>>>> trying to use such a degree to get a job as a CEO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A juris doctor is meant for practicing law.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/01/09, BK Brooklyn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree that EJD programs are worthless!! Go figure, some of you
>>>>>>>>>>> are studying to become attorney's yet, your vision & outlook is
>>>>>>>>>>> narrow. That's why attorney's are usually the worst when it comes
>>>>>>>>>>> to working in the Corporate world. With an EJD you can position
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself to become a CEO of an organization. While you do not give
>>>>>>>>>>> advice or practice in a court room, the EJD gives you the
>>>>>>>>>>> foundation to understand the law as it pertains to many fields.
>>>>>>>>>>> Take the case of being a CEO, you can work closely with your Gen.
>>>>>>>>>>> Counsel on matters and be able to understand and relate to issues
>>>>>>>>>>> in M&A cases, lawsuits, Employee case related suits, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the point you ignorant boneheads is that you need to be
>>>>>>>>>>> able to open your minds to see that there is more to law than your
>>>>>>>>>>> narrow minded ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. MBA from Brooklyn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/09, Jason S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would agree that schools like Concord are good. However, EJD or
>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive JD programs as worthless, because you can't give legal
>>>>>>>>>>>> advice. I mean, whats the point, really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the 1L at Cleveland Marshall needs to learn how to spell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/09, Cedric wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a very narrow view. I would recommend you take a look
>>>>>>>>>>>> at who attends a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school like Concord, as you will find most already have
>>>>>>>>>>>> achieved career success,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have advanced degrees from some pretty impressive schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you get into any law school does not mean you will become
>>>>>>>>>>>> a lawyer, as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers show, only about 67&37; pass the bar on average, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> some never take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bar, go figure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/09, Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/04/06, FRice wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone out there have any experience with one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these programs? If so, I'd love to hear your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they worthwhile or a waste of time? Let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These programs are worthless if you want to go to LAW SCHOOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to one that is ABA aproved it's not that hard to achieve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dream of being a lawyer. Yes these non ABA aproved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs have eisier standards but you will have to pay for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them later. For instance Concorde Law School (Kaplin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University Online) is non ABA aproved there students can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only take the Bar exam in a few places mainly CA and no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where else. while an ABA aproved JD holder is able to sit on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any Bar exam. The EJD program offered by Concorde is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiste of time. best of luck in your search for the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Francis 1L Cleveland Marshall College of Law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
I just wanted to say that this blog has been very helpful in helping me decided what
type of law school I wish to attend and what kind of degree I want to obtain. Either EJD
or JD seems to give an individual an edge in the job market. A EJD degree can be used to
an individual's advantage, especially if a person is working in an area that requires
them to know about certain, policies like health care, such as a medical social worker.
The more a social worker knows about their clients rights, the better position they will
be in to advocate for them. Also if someone wants a J.D. degree they can gain one by
taking one of the hardest bar exams in the nation (California). Just passing that exam
will be a resume booster, especially if you are attending a school where you had to
motivate yourself to complete.

Anyone who wants to attend law school should have the chance to go. For example
individuals who are disabled may want to attend an online school because of the
difficulties they may encounter attending a traditional law school. I think it is a good
idea to have an online law school so those who may not be able to attend otherwise
(because of disablities, work, school, families etc) will have challenging rewarding
affordable education, that requires the students to be determined, self motivated,
resourceful and hardworking. Which are good qualifications for a lawyer to have. Thank
you again , this page has been very informative!