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Re: Distance JD - Then "NOT" Taking the Bar
Posted by Crown Prince on 9/06/08
I agree with the spirit of what you posted. However, you are incorrect. Having a EJD
can actually contribute to the necessary education required to become a LDA in any of
California's counties. I know, because I am one. I didn't use an EJD (I had a
regionally accredited BA and MPA to satisfy mine). Educational only, though.
Experience is another issue. However, I do agree about hanging the JD on the wall---
not a good idea--UPOL is definitely something to be leary of. All it takes is one
client to pull the rug out from under you. One picture of that JD on the wall and you
are history, perhaps behind bars...
By the way, as to the original poster, if you think you can make that much doing
document preparation, even in a big city, you are bonkers. But hey, whatever floats
your boat...
Crown Prince
On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
> Better bone up on California law.
>
> Legal Document Preparation requires meeting
> specific educational requirements not a single
> one which is met by a useless and worthless eJD degree.
>
> The purpose of a JD degree is legal theory and doctrine
> of contracts, torts, criminal procedure, constitional
> law and a whole host of other subjects designed
> to make one pass the bar exam by testing their
> knowledge of legal theory and doctrine, none of which
> in law school prepares one for the procedural paperwork aspect
> of law. One is like being a Doctor and the other the Nurse.
> In this case YOU would be the nurse and not the doctor so
> a doctorate degree from an unaccredited law school would be
> and is useless for a legal document preparer.
>
> Dont waste your money on a eJD. You must take specific
> paralegal document preparation courses to meet California
> law.
>
> Telling someone you have a eJD degree while preparing their
> restraining order or child custody hearing motion will mean
> nothing and could constitute the practice of law if they perceive
> you are telling them about your unaccredited eJD degree and how
> and why that degree lets you help them fill out their document.
>
> Dont start a legal document preparation business and hang that
> eJD degree anywhere near your "customers".....One mistake and
> the customer hires a real lawyer with a real J.D. degree and
> you will find out real fast how much trouble you really are in.
>
>
> On 9/06/08, Don't Want Bar Exam wrote:
>> I just want to learn law in my DL eJD program and later become the best darn top
>> notch registered California Legal Document Assistant/Mediator/Notary Public. I'll
>> let the smart students become lawyers and do all the hard work, they can have all
>> the fame and glory. I just want to sell legal documents like divorces, wills,
>> LLCs, name changes, power of attorney and small claims documents, . I want to be
>> just like LegalZoom. But smaller and I don't need to be a multi-billion dollar
>> business, I'll settle for 2 or 3 million, I mean why be greedy.
>>
>>
>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>> I agree. Believe me, I tried to find loopholes to make it faster myself. There
>>> are none. If you seriously think you can take the bar in any jurisdiction by
>>> taking a non-bar track DL JD program, you also probably think Barack Obama
>>> would make a good president.
>>>
>>> Do your research, contact your respective state bar(s), and post information if
>>> it is relevant.
>>>
>>> I, unlike some of the other posters, don't mind the questions, as it allows us
>>> to quash them and set people straight. Besides, they are always useful for a
>>> good laugh...
>>>
>>> Crown Prince
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/06/08, I got ABA degree wrote:
>>>> YOU should spent less time trying to get around
>>>> the ABA admission rules outside of California.
>>>>
>>>> If you dont want to practice in California just
>>>> get ABA J.D. degree. simple.......why post on
>>>> and on about it.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/06/08, Carrington wrote:
>>>>> Any way to delete posts? The number of asses responding with no useful
>>>>> information is a bit tiresome since I'm getting emailed responses. Look,
>>>>> seriously, the question has been answered and those of you who have
>>>> nothing
>>>>> better to do than to flame on an open message board, please choose a new
>>>>> thread. Or, perhaps get a hobby or for your fancy lawyers, find a client
>>>> to
>>>>> bill while you actually do some work.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/06/08, already got my ABA degree wrote:
>>>>>> Lawyer, wannabe......you do the work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pick one of the 50 states you wanna practice law in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go to the state bar website and READ the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they dont accept non ABA J.D. degree then pick another state
>>>>>> or apply to an ABA law school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geez........so simple yet so hard to do, lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/06/08, -- wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, Your State Bar and only your State Bar has the rules
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few states have LIMITED exceptions. A handful of states
>>>>>>>> will accept non ABA J.D. and just a couple, I can count on
>>>>>>>> one hand will even accept non ABA correspondence J.D. degree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately you don't cite which states accept non-ABA
>>>>>> correspondence
>>>>>>> JD degrees. CA is one -- as far as I know the only one for a first
>>>>>>> time bar exam applicant. Give us the benefit of your superior
>>>>>>> knowledge and list the few other states. Frankly -- I think you are
>>>>>>> incorrect. Not ONE other state will accept non-ABA distance learning
>>>>>>> JD to sit for the bar the first time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you cant (sic) read and understand any particular state's
>>>>>>>> rules for bar admission then your reading level will not
>>>>>>>> be sufficient to graduate from law school, let alone pass
>>>>>>>> any state bar exam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Webster, as long as you bad rap other posters' reading and writing
>>>>>>> skills, I guess I should point out that there's an apostrophe in
>>>>>>> can't. Also California is capitalized -- I won't go on but your
>>>>>>> writing skills are not nearly as perfect as your criticism of others.
>>>>>>> You shouldn't hold other people to a higher standard than you hold
>>>>>>> yourself. How do you spell hypocrite?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even out of the "thousands" that attend california unaccredited
>>>>>>>> law schools only a few dozen pass the bar exam each time the
>>>>>>>> exam is held. Every year thousands of law students attend California
>>>>>>>> unaccredited law schools, there are dozens and dozens of them in
>>>>>>>> California and only a handful pass the exam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, CA has a lot of non-ABA graduates who practice. My cousin
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a judge in Fresno CA. She graduated from San Joaquin College of Law
>>>>>>> (non-ABA). Over 25 percent of practicing lawyers in Central CA are
>>>>>> non-
>>>>>>> ABA graduates. Well like you said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Who in their right mind would
>>>>>>> come here to this site and rely
>>>>>>> on someone's story or hearsay
>>>>>>> information about bar admission
>>>>>>> in a particular state? lol"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well fellow, you certainly proved your point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS:
>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I graduated from a top tier ABA school last
>>>>>>> semester and clerk for our state's appellate court. I think ABA is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> best way to go but not the only way -- at least in CA.
>>>>>
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