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Re: Distance JD - Then "NOT" Taking the Bar
Posted by I got ABA degree on 9/06/08

    wow what are you gonna do file a bunch of legal documents on me, lol

    You have been posting here a long time fella.

    How long does it take you garage students to earn a degree anway?

    2 1/2 years here for my JD full time no summers off, and immediately
    passed the calif bar.

    I was the deposition attorney for pre trial cases when I was 25.

    tell ya what I will post my diploma from the University of Chicago
    Law school up here in window if you
    do the same......show us your ejd west coast degree

    well?


    On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    > If you went to the U of Chicago for law school (for real) then I will eat my shorts.
    >
    > Many of the founders of our great nation looked down on John Adams, a graduate of Harvard Law
    > School (which was considered far inferior to William and Mary College at the time). Adams was one
    > of the greatest lawyers of his time. As was Lincoln. As was Clarence Darrow. Just because
    > Ruth "Im an ugly sleaze" Ginsberg looks down on DL law schools doesn't mean they don't produce
    > excellent graduates.
    >
    > I will take my J.D. (when I get it) from West Coast and put it up against your "ABA law school"
    > anytime.
    >
    > What is your full name so I can look you up on Chicago's Bar Website? Seriously. Or are you a
    > Pu$$y?
    >
    > Chicken? What firm are you with? Have you even passed the bar? Prove it.
    >
    > Crown Prince
    >
    >
    > On 9/06/08, I got ABA law degree wrote:
    >> I have an MPA from a school that I guarantee is better than the school you got
    >>> your "ABA JD" from).
    >>
    >> wrong again.........University of Chicago Law School here.
    >>
    >> Dude.......West Coast School of Law is run out of a spare
    >> bedroom in a guy's house, lol !!!!
    >>
    >> Come on, you are delirious about your "law degree"!
    >>
    >> Lets take my law degree and your "law degree" and
    >> go on TV and see how it goes.
    >>
    >> We can ask people to call and write in and see who
    >> they would hire and which one is a real law degree
    >> and which one came from a law school run from some guy's
    >> house, lol.
    >>
    >> god I hate California unaccredited law schools
    >>
    >> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>> I am in a bar-track distance learning J.D. program with West Coast School of Law and take the
    >>> bar, all things being equal in Feb. of 2011.
    >>>
    >>> Taking and passing the FYLSE ("baby bar") is harder than any exam you have probably ever
    >>> taken (with the exception of the bar, if you have taken it) in law school. Trust me. I went
    >>> to an ABA law school (3rd tier--only evening program within driving distance) for a while
    >>> before job and family responsibilities forced me to withdraw in good standing. Active duty
    >>> military responsibilities came first. Sorry.
    >>>
    >>> I think eJDs are not worthless pieces of paper. Many people seek legal knowledge and do not
    >>> seek to practice law but want something to show for it. I personally think they are a waste
    >>> of time, but that is just my opinion, and opinions are like a$$es...
    >>>
    >>> Many of us are accomplished in our careers and have obtained graduate degrees from other top
    >>> schools (I have an MPA from a school that I guarantee is better than the school you got
    >>> your "ABA JD" from).
    >>>
    >>> Go take your prozac.
    >>>
    >>> Crown Prince
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
    >>>> I graduated from an ABA law school with a real degree.
    >>>>
    >>>> Your eJD degree is a worthless piece of paper.
    >>>>
    >>>> Lets go on TV and you put up your laser printed
    >>>> eJD degree and my ABA law degree and lets see how
    >>>> many people laugh take you serious.
    >>>>
    >>>> Again.......another wannabe fake law degree holder
    >>>> that couldnt pass the bar. unaccredited law degrees
    >>>> and snake oil......
    >>>>
    >>>> Geez....how pathetic another mail order law degree
    >>>> holder that really thinks they have a law degree, lol.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>> This is another example of how ABA is not better.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> First and foremost, you are incorrect. I have included the statute below my posting. The
    >>>>> bachelor's degree doesn't even have to be accredited. Don't believe me, read the statute.
    >>>>> All I did was show the clerk (who could have cared less) a copy of my diploma. Didn't
    >>>>> even have to show transcripts.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Second, any idiot can do a bankruptcy. When I worked for a real estate attorney, he had a
    >>>>> bankruptcy come in and asked if I wanted to do it. I told him sure. Got it done in a few
    >>>>> hours. Typing in the figures on the typewriter took most of the time because he didn't
    >>>>> have a bankruptcy software program. ANY IDIOT CAN DO IT. I have done wills, powers of
    >>>>> attorney, trusts, and the like. I know LDAs who are also making over 100K a year.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> EJDs are able to be conferred by the current state bar rules. Do you really want me to
    >>>>> post another statute? Do your homework. It is also recognized. You just can't practice
    >>>>> law with it. If it makes people feel better, why
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think that you are just kinda angry that someone can legally do a bankruptcy or a will
    >>>>> without having shelled out nearly 100K on an ABA law degree.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The only thing worse is us dumb folk who are shelling out a total of $6000 for four years
    >>>>> and a shot at the bar (Feb. 2011---I can't wait!). Stop being a hater. If you really did
    >>>>> graduate from an ABA school, why are you wasting your time on this chatboard
    >>>>> disseminating incorrect information and putting down people who are trying to make a
    >>>>> difference or a buck in the legal profession.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Get over it and get a job! You could have been halfway done with a bankruptcy already :)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 18. What are the educational requirements for registering? [Section 6402.1]
    >>>>> To be eligible to apply for registration under this chapter as a legal document
    >>>>> assistant, the applicant shall possess at least one of the following:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A high school diploma or general equivalency diploma, and either a minimum of two years
    >>>>> of law-related experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of
    >>>>> two years experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
    >>>>> A baccalaureate degree in any field and either a minimum of one year law-related
    >>>>> experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of one year of
    >>>>> experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
    >>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program that is institutionally accredited
    >>>>> but not approved by the American Bar Association, that requires successful completion of
    >>>>> a minimum of 24 semester units, or the equivalent, in legal specialization courses.
    >>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program approved by the American Bar
    >>>>> Association.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>> eJD "degree" does NOT meet any Legal Document License requirements whatsoever.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> An eJD degree is NOT recognized by any California Adminstrative or
    >>>>>> licensing agency whatsoever ! period. end of discussion on that.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is and remains an oversold hyped oversold piece of paper with
    >>>>>> no controlling legal authority.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> An earned J.D. degree that is bar qualifying however, is sanctioned
    >>>>>> by statute and is legally authorized to be conferred by the new State
    >>>>>> Bar rules.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The J.D. is useless for legal document preparation.....law school
    >>>>>> does not teach the practice of law or filling out of legal procedural
    >>>>>> paperwork...In this case it is just another dreamer that wants so bad
    >>>>>> to say, hey I have a law degree, or hey I have a J.D. degree let me
    >>>>>> help you with your divorce, probate paperwork, restraining order or
    >>>>>> help you fill out documents for the court. Its a joke....
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I never learned anything in law school about filling out paperwork
    >>>>>> and after I graduated I had to learn everything from lawyers who learned
    >>>>>> from other lawyers...the hard humilating way.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>>> I agree with the spirit of what you posted. However, you are incorrect. Having a EJD
    >>>>>>> can actually contribute to the necessary education required to become a LDA in any of
    >>>>>>> California's counties. I know, because I am one. I didn't use an EJD (I had a
    >>>>>>> regionally accredited BA and MPA to satisfy mine). Educational only, though.
    >>>>>>> Experience is another issue. However, I do agree about hanging the JD on the wall---
    >>>>>>> not a good idea--UPOL is definitely something to be leary of. All it takes is one
    >>>>>>> client to pull the rug out from under you. One picture of that JD on the wall and you
    >>>>>>> are history, perhaps behind bars...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> By the way, as to the original poster, if you think you can make that much doing
    >>>>>>> document preparation, even in a big city, you are bonkers. But hey, whatever floats
    >>>>>>> your boat...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Better bone up on California law.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Legal Document Preparation requires meeting
    >>>>>>>> specific educational requirements not a single
    >>>>>>>> one which is met by a useless and worthless eJD degree.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The purpose of a JD degree is legal theory and doctrine
    >>>>>>>> of contracts, torts, criminal procedure, constitional
    >>>>>>>> law and a whole host of other subjects designed
    >>>>>>>> to make one pass the bar exam by testing their
    >>>>>>>> knowledge of legal theory and doctrine, none of which
    >>>>>>>> in law school prepares one for the procedural paperwork aspect
    >>>>>>>> of law. One is like being a Doctor and the other the Nurse.
    >>>>>>>> In this case YOU would be the nurse and not the doctor so
    >>>>>>>> a doctorate degree from an unaccredited law school would be
    >>>>>>>> and is useless for a legal document preparer.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Dont waste your money on a eJD. You must take specific
    >>>>>>>> paralegal document preparation courses to meet California
    >>>>>>>> law.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Telling someone you have a eJD degree while preparing their
    >>>>>>>> restraining order or child custody hearing motion will mean
    >>>>>>>> nothing and could constitute the practice of law if they perceive
    >>>>>>>> you are telling them about your unaccredited eJD degree and how
    >>>>>>>> and why that degree lets you help them fill out their document.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Dont start a legal document preparation business and hang that
    >>>>>>>> eJD degree anywhere near your "customers".....One mistake and
    >>>>>>>> the customer hires a real lawyer with a real J.D. degree and
    >>>>>>>> you will find out real fast how much trouble you really are in.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Don't Want Bar Exam wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> I just want to learn law in my DL eJD program and later become the best darn top
    >>>>>>>>> notch registered California Legal Document Assistant/Mediator/Notary Public. I'll
    >>>>>>>>> let the smart students become lawyers and do all the hard work, they can have all
    >>>>>>>>> the fame and glory. I just want to sell legal documents like divorces, wills,
    >>>>>>>>> LLCs, name changes, power of attorney and small claims documents, . I want to be
    >>>>>>>>> just like LegalZoom. But smaller and I don't need to be a multi-billion dollar
    >>>>>>>>> business, I'll settle for 2 or 3 million, I mean why be greedy.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> I agree. Believe me, I tried to find loopholes to make it faster myself. There
    >>>>>>>>>> are none. If you seriously think you can take the bar in any jurisdiction by
    >>>>>>>>>> taking a non-bar track DL JD program, you also probably think Barack Obama
    >>>>>>>>>> would make a good president.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Do your research, contact your respective state bar(s), and post information if
    >>>>>>>>>> it is relevant.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I, unlike some of the other posters, don't mind the questions, as it allows us
    >>>>>>>>>> to quash them and set people straight. Besides, they are always useful for a
    >>>>>>>>>> good laugh...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> YOU should spent less time trying to get around
    >>>>>>>>>>> the ABA admission rules outside of California.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> If you dont want to practice in California just
    >>>>>>>>>>> get ABA J.D. degree. simple.......why post on
    >>>>>>>>>>> and on about it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Carrington wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Any way to delete posts? The number of asses responding with no useful
    >>>>>>>>>>>> information is a bit tiresome since I'm getting emailed responses. Look,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously, the question has been answered and those of you who have
    >>>>>>>>>>> nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>> better to do than to flame on an open message board, please choose a new
    >>>>>>>>>>>> thread. Or, perhaps get a hobby or for your fancy lawyers, find a client
    >>>>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> bill while you actually do some work.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, already got my ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawyer, wannabe......you do the work.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pick one of the 50 states you wanna practice law in.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Go to the state bar website and READ the rules.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> If they dont accept non ABA J.D. degree then pick another state
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> or apply to an ABA law school.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Geez........so simple yet so hard to do, lol
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, -- wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/08, Your State Bar and only your State Bar has the rules
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few states have LIMITED exceptions. A handful of states
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will accept non ABA J.D. and just a couple, I can count on
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one hand will even accept non ABA correspondence J.D. degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately you don't cite which states accept non-ABA
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> correspondence
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JD degrees. CA is one -- as far as I know the only one for a first
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time bar exam applicant. Give us the benefit of your superior
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge and list the few other states. Frankly -- I think you are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> incorrect. Not ONE other state will accept non-ABA distance learning
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JD to sit for the bar the first time.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you cant (sic) read and understand any particular state's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules for bar admission then your reading level will not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be sufficient to graduate from law school, let alone pass
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any state bar exam.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Webster, as long as you bad rap other posters' reading and writing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills, I guess I should point out that there's an apostrophe in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't. Also California is capitalized -- I won't go on but your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing skills are not nearly as perfect as your criticism of others.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You shouldn't hold other people to a higher standard than you hold
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself. How do you spell hypocrite?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even out of the "thousands" that attend california unaccredited
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law schools only a few dozen pass the bar exam each time the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam is held. Every year thousands of law students attend California
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaccredited law schools, there are dozens and dozens of them in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California and only a handful pass the exam.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, CA has a lot of non-ABA graduates who practice. My cousin
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a judge in Fresno CA. She graduated from San Joaquin College of Law
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non-ABA). Over 25 percent of practicing lawyers in Central CA are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> non-
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABA graduates. Well like you said:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Who in their right mind would
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here to this site and rely
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on someone's story or hearsay
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about bar admission
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a particular state? lol"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well fellow, you certainly proved your point.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, I graduated from a top tier ABA school last
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and clerk for our state's appellate court. I think ABA is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> best way to go but not the only way -- at least in CA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>

     
     

 
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