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Re: Distance JD - Then "NOT" Taking the Bar
Posted by idiot police on 9/07/08
I am sure everyone here is laughing at both of you idiot toilet trashers.
I would not hire either one of you for any legal matter. Go take
your argument to the sand box and get off this board.
On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
> I never said I had one. The only thing I can do is post my FYLSE results. If you want me to do that, I
> will. I am a 3L.
>
> Post your degree or give me your name, or are you still chicken?
>
> Crown Prince
>
>
>
> On 9/07/08, I got my ABA law degree wrote:
>> Post your law degree and I post mine.
>>
>> That was the challenge !
>>
>> On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>> If you can't do paperwork for bankruptcy, then something is wrong with you.
>>>
>>> I never said I had a JD yet---I am a law student. Yes, go ahead and post your JD from Chicago. What is
>>> your name so we can look it up on the state bar's website?
>>>
>>> Crown Prince
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/07/08, Don't Want to Take Bar Exam wrote:
>>>> Go to LegalZoom.com, I believe Attorney Robert Shapiro is co-founder of LegalZoom.com. He is also one
>>>> sharp lawyer. He approves of form fillers and legal document assistants and LegalZoom makes millions
>>>> doing it. Remember Law can be a business as well as a vocation.
>>>>
>>>> I think telling someone you have an eJD is protected speech. 1st Amendment!!!
>>>>
>>>> It is not a crime to say you that you have a law degree, medical degree, engineering degree or basket
>>>> weaving degree. But you must make it crystal clear when you are filling out the legal forms that you
>>>> are not a member of the CA bar in good standing or a licensed lawyer, that you don't give legal
>>>> advice. Having clients sign an ackknowledgement notice to this regard is very likely a good idea.
>>>> Maybe a big classy sign posted behind you on the wall that states : "I am not an Attorney, just a
>>>> legal documents Assistant or preparer, here to serve you."
>>>>
>>>> I say I'll will happily fill out legal forms, sell self-help books and run the documents to the court
>>>> any day if I can build a multi-million dollar business like LegalZoom.
>>>>
>>>> As for unhappy clients wanting to get you in trouble with the bar for UPL or trying to put you out of
>>>> the legal document business by tryng to get your LDP certificate revoke. I say every case is evaluated
>>>> on its merits, if you did a good job, had safeguards in place and did not break the law, you (LDA)
>>>> should be ok.
>>>>
>>>> Many lawyers get in trouble too. I know lawyers who get very upset when complaints are filed against
>>>> them with the State Bar. Its not nice. Many of those complaints are frivolous and from clients who
>>>> simply didn't like the results or outcome produced by the courts. Some clients don't want to pay the
>>>> attorney his fee. Clients file frivolous complaints so that lawyers will stop collection actions. Many
>>>> clients are "complaint happy".
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with Crown Prince, not any idiot can prepare a bankruptcy petition and forms. The legal
>>>> document preparer must be competent to at least a minimum standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somebody posted here and said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am a licensed attorney, not a freakin document filler
>>>>> and court runner like you."
>>>>>
>>>>> "You sure have alot of faith in your correspondence J.D. degree."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CP said:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "First and foremost, you are incorrect. I have included the statute below my posting. The
>>>>>>>>>> bachelor's degree doesn't even have to be accredited. Don't believe me, read the statute.
>>>>>>>>>> All I did was show the clerk (who could have cared less) a copy of my diploma. Didn't
>>>>>>>>>> even have to show transcripts. "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Second, any idiot can do a bankruptcy. When I worked for a real estate attorney, he had a
>>>>>>>>>> bankruptcy come in and asked if I wanted to do it. I told him sure. Got it done in a few
>>>>>>>>>> hours. Typing in the figures on the typewriter took most of the time because he didn't
>>>>>>>>>> have a bankruptcy software program. ANY IDIOT CAN DO IT. I have done wills, powers of
>>>>>>>>>> attorney, trusts, and the like. I know LDAs who are also making over 100K a year."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "EJDs are able to be conferred by the current state bar rules. Do you really want me to
>>>>>>>>>> post another statute? Do your homework. It is also recognized. You just can't practice
>>>>>>>>>> law with it. If it makes people feel better, why "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "I think that you are just kinda angry that someone can legally do a bankruptcy or a will
>>>>>>>>>> without having shelled out nearly 100K on an ABA law degree. "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The only thing worse is us dumb folk who are shelling out a total of $6000 for four years
>>>>>>>>>> and a shot at the bar (Feb. 2011---I can't wait!). Stop being a hater. If you really did
>>>>>>>>>> graduate from an ABA school, why are you wasting your time on this chatboard
>>>>>>>>>> disseminating incorrect information and putting down people who are trying to make a
>>>>>>>>>> difference or a buck in the legal profession. "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Get over it and get a job! You could have been halfway done with a bankruptcy already :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "18. What are the educational requirements for registering? [Section 6402.1]
>>>>>>>>>> To be eligible to apply for registration under this chapter as a legal document
>>>>>>>>>> assistant, the applicant shall possess at least one of the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A high school diploma or general equivalency diploma, and either a minimum of two years
>>>>>>>>>> of law-related experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of
>>>>>>>>>> two years experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
>>>>>>>>>> A baccalaureate degree in any field and either a minimum of one year law-related
>>>>>>>>>> experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of one year of
>>>>>>>>>> experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program that is institutionally accredited
>>>>>>>>>> but not approved by the American Bar Association, that requires successful completion of
>>>>>>>>>> a minimum of 24 semester units, or the equivalent, in legal specialization courses.
>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program approved by the American Bar
>>>>>>>>>> Association. "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Somebody on here said:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> eJD "degree" does NOT meet any Legal Document License requirements whatsoever.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An eJD degree is NOT recognized by any California Adminstrative or
>>>>>>>>>>> licensing agency whatsoever ! period. end of discussion on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is and remains an oversold hyped oversold piece of paper with
>>>>>>>>>>> no controlling legal authority.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An earned J.D. degree that is bar qualifying however, is sanctioned
>>>>>>>>>>> by statute and is legally authorized to be conferred by the new State
>>>>>>>>>>> Bar rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The J.D. is useless for legal document preparation.....law school
>>>>>>>>>>> does not teach the practice of law or filling out of legal procedural
>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork...In this case it is just another dreamer that wants so bad
>>>>>>>>>>> to say, hey I have a law degree, or hey I have a J.D. degree let me
>>>>>>>>>>> help you with your divorce, probate paperwork, restraining order or
>>>>>>>>>>> help you fill out documents for the court. Its a joke....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I never learned anything in law school about filling out paperwork
>>>>>>>>>>> and after I graduated I had to learn everything from lawyers who learned
>>>>>>>>>>> from other lawyers...the hard humilating way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with the spirit of what you posted. However, you are incorrect. Having a EJD
>>>>>>>>>>>> can actually contribute to the necessary education required to become a LDA in any of
>>>>>>>>>>>> California's counties. I know, because I am one. I didn't use an EJD (I had a
>>>>>>>>>>>> regionally accredited BA and MPA to satisfy mine). Educational only, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Experience is another issue. However, I do agree about hanging the JD on the wall---
>>>>>>>>>>>> not a good idea--UPOL is definitely something to be leary of. All it takes is one
>>>>>>>>>>>> client to pull the rug out from under you. One picture of that JD on the wall and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are history, perhaps behind bars...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, as to the original poster, if you think you can make that much doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> document preparation, even in a big city, you are bonkers. But hey, whatever floats
>>>>>>>>>>>> your boat...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better bone up on California law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Document Preparation requires meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific educational requirements not a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one which is met by a useless and worthless eJD degree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of a JD degree is legal theory and doctrine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of contracts, torts, criminal procedure, constitional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> law and a whole host of other subjects designed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make one pass the bar exam by testing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of legal theory and doctrine, none of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in law school prepares one for the procedural paperwork aspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of law. One is like being a Doctor and the other the Nurse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case YOU would be the nurse and not the doctor so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a doctorate degree from an unaccredited law school would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is useless for a legal document preparer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont waste your money on a eJD. You must take specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paralegal document preparation courses to meet California
>>>>>>>>>>>>> law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Telling someone you have a eJD degree while preparing their
>>>>>>> restraining order or child custody hearing motion will mean
>>>>>>> nothing and could constitute the practice of law if they perceive
>>>>>>> you are telling them about your unaccredited eJD degree and how
>>>>>>> and why that degree lets you help them fill out their document.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dont start a legal document preparation business and hang that
>>>>>>>>> eJD degree anywhere near your "customers".....One mistake and
>>>>>>>> the customer hires a real lawyer with a real J.D. degree and
>>>>>>>> you will find out real fast how much trouble you really are in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Don't Want Bar Exam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I just want to learn law in my DL eJD program and later become the best darn top
>>>>>>>>> notch registered California Legal Document Assistant/Mediator/Notary Public. I'll
>>>>>>>>> let the smart students become lawyers and do all the hard work, they can have all
>>>>>>>>> the fame and glory. I just want to sell legal documents like divorces, wills,
>>>>>>>>> LLCs, name changes, power of attorney and small claims documents, . I want to be
>>>>>>>>> just like LegalZoom. But smaller and I don't need to be a multi-billion dollar
>>>>>>>>> business, I'll settle for 2 or 3 million, I mean why be greedy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree. Believe me, I tried to find loopholes to make it faster myself. There
>>>>>>>>>are none. If you seriously think you can take the bar in any jurisdiction by
>>>>>>>>>taking a non-bar track DL JD program, you also probably think Barack Obama
>>>>>>>>>would make a good president.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do your research, contact your respective state bar(s), and post information if
>>>>>>>>>it is relevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I, unlike some of the other posters, don't mind the questions, as it allows us
>>>>>>>>>to quash them and set people straight. Besides, they are always useful for a
>>>>>>>>>good laugh...
>>>>>>>>>Crown Prince
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