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Re: Distance JD - Then "NOT" Taking the Bar
Posted by Holder of a real accredited law degree on 9/07/08

    what do you expect from some idiot that goes
    to a "law school" run out of the spare bedroom
    of some guy's house,lol

    Joke law school, joke law degree = idiot

    On 9/07/08, idiot police wrote:
    > I am sure everyone here is laughing at both of you idiot toilet trashers.
    > I would not hire either one of you for any legal matter. Go take
    > your argument to the sand box and get off this board.
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    > On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >> I never said I had one. The only thing I can do is post my FYLSE results. If you want me to do that, I
    >> will. I am a 3L.
    >>
    >> Post your degree or give me your name, or are you still chicken?
    >>
    >> Crown Prince
    >>
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    >> On 9/07/08, I got my ABA law degree wrote:
    >>> Post your law degree and I post mine.
    >>>
    >>> That was the challenge !
    >>>
    >>> On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>> If you can't do paperwork for bankruptcy, then something is wrong with you.
    >>>>
    >>>> I never said I had a JD yet---I am a law student. Yes, go ahead and post your JD from Chicago. What is
    >>>> your name so we can look it up on the state bar's website?
    >>>>
    >>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/07/08, Don't Want to Take Bar Exam wrote:
    >>>>> Go to LegalZoom.com, I believe Attorney Robert Shapiro is co-founder of LegalZoom.com. He is also one
    >>>>> sharp lawyer. He approves of form fillers and legal document assistants and LegalZoom makes millions
    >>>>> doing it. Remember Law can be a business as well as a vocation.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think telling someone you have an eJD is protected speech. 1st Amendment!!!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It is not a crime to say you that you have a law degree, medical degree, engineering degree or basket
    >>>>> weaving degree. But you must make it crystal clear when you are filling out the legal forms that you
    >>>>> are not a member of the CA bar in good standing or a licensed lawyer, that you don't give legal
    >>>>> advice. Having clients sign an ackknowledgement notice to this regard is very likely a good idea.
    >>>>> Maybe a big classy sign posted behind you on the wall that states : "I am not an Attorney, just a
    >>>>> legal documents Assistant or preparer, here to serve you."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I say I'll will happily fill out legal forms, sell self-help books and run the documents to the court
    >>>>> any day if I can build a multi-million dollar business like LegalZoom.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As for unhappy clients wanting to get you in trouble with the bar for UPL or trying to put you out of
    >>>>> the legal document business by tryng to get your LDP certificate revoke. I say every case is evaluated
    >>>>> on its merits, if you did a good job, had safeguards in place and did not break the law, you (LDA)
    >>>>> should be ok.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Many lawyers get in trouble too. I know lawyers who get very upset when complaints are filed against
    >>>>> them with the State Bar. Its not nice. Many of those complaints are frivolous and from clients who
    >>>>> simply didn't like the results or outcome produced by the courts. Some clients don't want to pay the
    >>>>> attorney his fee. Clients file frivolous complaints so that lawyers will stop collection actions. Many
    >>>>> clients are "complaint happy".
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I disagree with Crown Prince, not any idiot can prepare a bankruptcy petition and forms. The legal
    >>>>> document preparer must be competent to at least a minimum standard.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Somebody posted here and said:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "I am a licensed attorney, not a freakin document filler
    >>>>>> and court runner like you."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "You sure have alot of faith in your correspondence J.D. degree."
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> CP said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "First and foremost, you are incorrect. I have included the statute below my posting. The
    >>>>>>>>>>> bachelor's degree doesn't even have to be accredited. Don't believe me, read the statute.
    >>>>>>>>>>> All I did was show the clerk (who could have cared less) a copy of my diploma. Didn't
    >>>>>>>>>>> even have to show transcripts. "
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Second, any idiot can do a bankruptcy. When I worked for a real estate attorney, he had a
    >>>>>>>>>>> bankruptcy come in and asked if I wanted to do it. I told him sure. Got it done in a few
    >>>>>>>>>>> hours. Typing in the figures on the typewriter took most of the time because he didn't
    >>>>>>>>>>> have a bankruptcy software program. ANY IDIOT CAN DO IT. I have done wills, powers of
    >>>>>>>>>>> attorney, trusts, and the like. I know LDAs who are also making over 100K a year."
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "EJDs are able to be conferred by the current state bar rules. Do you really want me to
    >>>>>>>>>>> post another statute? Do your homework. It is also recognized. You just can't practice
    >>>>>>>>>>> law with it. If it makes people feel better, why "
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "I think that you are just kinda angry that someone can legally do a bankruptcy or a will
    >>>>>>>>>>> without having shelled out nearly 100K on an ABA law degree. "
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "The only thing worse is us dumb folk who are shelling out a total of $6000 for four years
    >>>>>>>>>>> and a shot at the bar (Feb. 2011---I can't wait!). Stop being a hater. If you really did
    >>>>>>>>>>> graduate from an ABA school, why are you wasting your time on this chatboard
    >>>>>>>>>>> disseminating incorrect information and putting down people who are trying to make a
    >>>>>>>>>>> difference or a buck in the legal profession. "
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Get over it and get a job! You could have been halfway done with a bankruptcy already :)
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "18. What are the educational requirements for registering? [Section 6402.1]
    >>>>>>>>>>> To be eligible to apply for registration under this chapter as a legal document
    >>>>>>>>>>> assistant, the applicant shall possess at least one of the following:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> A high school diploma or general equivalency diploma, and either a minimum of two years
    >>>>>>>>>>> of law-related experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of
    >>>>>>>>>>> two years experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
    >>>>>>>>>>> A baccalaureate degree in any field and either a minimum of one year law-related
    >>>>>>>>>>> experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of one year of
    >>>>>>>>>>> experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
    >>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program that is institutionally accredited
    >>>>>>>>>>> but not approved by the American Bar Association, that requires successful completion of
    >>>>>>>>>>> a minimum of 24 semester units, or the equivalent, in legal specialization courses.
    >>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program approved by the American Bar
    >>>>>>>>>>> Association. "
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Somebody on here said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> eJD "degree" does NOT meet any Legal Document License requirements whatsoever.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> An eJD degree is NOT recognized by any California Adminstrative or
    >>>>>>>>>>>> licensing agency whatsoever ! period. end of discussion on that.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> It is and remains an oversold hyped oversold piece of paper with
    >>>>>>>>>>>> no controlling legal authority.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> An earned J.D. degree that is bar qualifying however, is sanctioned
    >>>>>>>>>>>> by statute and is legally authorized to be conferred by the new State
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Bar rules.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The J.D. is useless for legal document preparation.....law school
    >>>>>>>>>>>> does not teach the practice of law or filling out of legal procedural
    >>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork...In this case it is just another dreamer that wants so bad
    >>>>>>>>>>>> to say, hey I have a law degree, or hey I have a J.D. degree let me
    >>>>>>>>>>>> help you with your divorce, probate paperwork, restraining order or
    >>>>>>>>>>>> help you fill out documents for the court. Its a joke....
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I never learned anything in law school about filling out paperwork
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and after I graduated I had to learn everything from lawyers who learned
    >>>>>>>>>>>> from other lawyers...the hard humilating way.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with the spirit of what you posted. However, you are incorrect. Having a EJD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> can actually contribute to the necessary education required to become a LDA in any of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> California's counties. I know, because I am one. I didn't use an EJD (I had a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> regionally accredited BA and MPA to satisfy mine). Educational only, though.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Experience is another issue. However, I do agree about hanging the JD on the wall---
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> not a good idea--UPOL is definitely something to be leary of. All it takes is one
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> client to pull the rug out from under you. One picture of that JD on the wall and you
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> are history, perhaps behind bars...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, as to the original poster, if you think you can make that much doing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> document preparation, even in a big city, you are bonkers. But hey, whatever floats
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> your boat...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better bone up on California law.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Document Preparation requires meeting
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific educational requirements not a single
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one which is met by a useless and worthless eJD degree.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of a JD degree is legal theory and doctrine
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of contracts, torts, criminal procedure, constitional
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> law and a whole host of other subjects designed
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make one pass the bar exam by testing their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of legal theory and doctrine, none of which
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in law school prepares one for the procedural paperwork aspect
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of law. One is like being a Doctor and the other the Nurse.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case YOU would be the nurse and not the doctor so
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a doctorate degree from an unaccredited law school would be
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is useless for a legal document preparer.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont waste your money on a eJD. You must take specific
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paralegal document preparation courses to meet California
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> law.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Telling someone you have a eJD degree while preparing their
    >>>>>>>> restraining order or child custody hearing motion will mean
    >>>>>>>> nothing and could constitute the practice of law if they perceive
    >>>>>>>> you are telling them about your unaccredited eJD degree and how
    >>>>>>>> and why that degree lets you help them fill out their document.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Dont start a legal document preparation business and hang that
    >>>>>>>>>> eJD degree anywhere near your "customers".....One mistake and
    >>>>>>>>> the customer hires a real lawyer with a real J.D. degree and
    >>>>>>>>> you will find out real fast how much trouble you really are in.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Don't Want Bar Exam wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> I just want to learn law in my DL eJD program and later become the best darn top
    >>>>>>>>>> notch registered California Legal Document Assistant/Mediator/Notary Public. I'll
    >>>>>>>>>> let the smart students become lawyers and do all the hard work, they can have all
    >>>>>>>>>> the fame and glory. I just want to sell legal documents like divorces, wills,
    >>>>>>>>>> LLCs, name changes, power of attorney and small claims documents, . I want to be
    >>>>>>>>>> just like LegalZoom. But smaller and I don't need to be a multi-billion dollar
    >>>>>>>>>> business, I'll settle for 2 or 3 million, I mean why be greedy.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I agree. Believe me, I tried to find loopholes to make it faster myself. There
    >>>>>>>>>>are none. If you seriously think you can take the bar in any jurisdiction by
    >>>>>>>>>>taking a non-bar track DL JD program, you also probably think Barack Obama
    >>>>>>>>>>would make a good president.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Do your research, contact your respective state bar(s), and post information if
    >>>>>>>>>>it is relevant.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>I, unlike some of the other posters, don't mind the questions, as it allows us
    >>>>>>>>>>to quash them and set people straight. Besides, they are always useful for a
    >>>>>>>>>>good laugh...
    >>>>>>>>>>Crown Prince

     
     

 
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