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Re: Distance JD - Then "NOT" Taking the Bar
Posted by CP on 9/07/08
West Coast School of Law is registered with and recognized by the California State Bar.
What more do you want?
CP
On 9/07/08, Holder of a real accredited law degree wrote:
> what do you expect from some idiot that goes
> to a "law school" run out of the spare bedroom
> of some guy's house,lol
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> Joke law school, joke law degree = idiot
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> On 9/07/08, idiot police wrote:
>> I am sure everyone here is laughing at both of you idiot toilet trashers.
>> I would not hire either one of you for any legal matter. Go take
>> your argument to the sand box and get off this board.
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>> On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>> I never said I had one. The only thing I can do is post my FYLSE results. If you want me to do that, I
>>> will. I am a 3L.
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>>> Post your degree or give me your name, or are you still chicken?
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>>> Crown Prince
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>>> On 9/07/08, I got my ABA law degree wrote:
>>>> Post your law degree and I post mine.
>>>>
>>>> That was the challenge !
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>>>> On 9/07/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>> If you can't do paperwork for bankruptcy, then something is wrong with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never said I had a JD yet---I am a law student. Yes, go ahead and post your JD from Chicago. What is
>>>>> your name so we can look it up on the state bar's website?
>>>>>
>>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>>> On 9/07/08, Don't Want to Take Bar Exam wrote:
>>>>>> Go to LegalZoom.com, I believe Attorney Robert Shapiro is co-founder of LegalZoom.com. He is also one
>>>>>> sharp lawyer. He approves of form fillers and legal document assistants and LegalZoom makes millions
>>>>>> doing it. Remember Law can be a business as well as a vocation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think telling someone you have an eJD is protected speech. 1st Amendment!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not a crime to say you that you have a law degree, medical degree, engineering degree or basket
>>>>>> weaving degree. But you must make it crystal clear when you are filling out the legal forms that you
>>>>>> are not a member of the CA bar in good standing or a licensed lawyer, that you don't give legal
>>>>>> advice. Having clients sign an ackknowledgement notice to this regard is very likely a good idea.
>>>>>> Maybe a big classy sign posted behind you on the wall that states : "I am not an Attorney, just a
>>>>>> legal documents Assistant or preparer, here to serve you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say I'll will happily fill out legal forms, sell self-help books and run the documents to the court
>>>>>> any day if I can build a multi-million dollar business like LegalZoom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for unhappy clients wanting to get you in trouble with the bar for UPL or trying to put you out of
>>>>>> the legal document business by tryng to get your LDP certificate revoke. I say every case is evaluated
>>>>>> on its merits, if you did a good job, had safeguards in place and did not break the law, you (LDA)
>>>>>> should be ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many lawyers get in trouble too. I know lawyers who get very upset when complaints are filed against
>>>>>> them with the State Bar. Its not nice. Many of those complaints are frivolous and from clients who
>>>>>> simply didn't like the results or outcome produced by the courts. Some clients don't want to pay the
>>>>>> attorney his fee. Clients file frivolous complaints so that lawyers will stop collection actions. Many
>>>>>> clients are "complaint happy".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree with Crown Prince, not any idiot can prepare a bankruptcy petition and forms. The legal
>>>>>> document preparer must be competent to at least a minimum standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody posted here and said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I am a licensed attorney, not a freakin document filler
>>>>>>> and court runner like you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You sure have alot of faith in your correspondence J.D. degree."
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> CP said:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "First and foremost, you are incorrect. I have included the statute below my posting. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> bachelor's degree doesn't even have to be accredited. Don't believe me, read the statute.
>>>>>>>>>>>> All I did was show the clerk (who could have cared less) a copy of my diploma. Didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> even have to show transcripts. "
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "Second, any idiot can do a bankruptcy. When I worked for a real estate attorney, he had a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bankruptcy come in and asked if I wanted to do it. I told him sure. Got it done in a few
>>>>>>>>>>>> hours. Typing in the figures on the typewriter took most of the time because he didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a bankruptcy software program. ANY IDIOT CAN DO IT. I have done wills, powers of
>>>>>>>>>>>> attorney, trusts, and the like. I know LDAs who are also making over 100K a year."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "EJDs are able to be conferred by the current state bar rules. Do you really want me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> post another statute? Do your homework. It is also recognized. You just can't practice
>>>>>>>>>>>> law with it. If it makes people feel better, why "
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think that you are just kinda angry that someone can legally do a bankruptcy or a will
>>>>>>>>>>>> without having shelled out nearly 100K on an ABA law degree. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The only thing worse is us dumb folk who are shelling out a total of $6000 for four years
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a shot at the bar (Feb. 2011---I can't wait!). Stop being a hater. If you really did
>>>>>>>>>>>> graduate from an ABA school, why are you wasting your time on this chatboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> disseminating incorrect information and putting down people who are trying to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>> difference or a buck in the legal profession. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get over it and get a job! You could have been halfway done with a bankruptcy already :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "18. What are the educational requirements for registering? [Section 6402.1]
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be eligible to apply for registration under this chapter as a legal document
>>>>>>>>>>>> assistant, the applicant shall possess at least one of the following:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> A high school diploma or general equivalency diploma, and either a minimum of two years
>>>>>>>>>>>> of law-related experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of
>>>>>>>>>>>> two years experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A baccalaureate degree in any field and either a minimum of one year law-related
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience under the supervision of a licensed attorney, or a minimum of one year of
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience, prior to January 1, 1999, providing self-help service.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program that is institutionally accredited
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not approved by the American Bar Association, that requires successful completion of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a minimum of 24 semester units, or the equivalent, in legal specialization courses.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A certificate of completion from a paralegal program approved by the American Bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Association. "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody on here said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eJD "degree" does NOT meet any Legal Document License requirements whatsoever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An eJD degree is NOT recognized by any California Adminstrative or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> licensing agency whatsoever ! period. end of discussion on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is and remains an oversold hyped oversold piece of paper with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no controlling legal authority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An earned J.D. degree that is bar qualifying however, is sanctioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by statute and is legally authorized to be conferred by the new State
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bar rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The J.D. is useless for legal document preparation.....law school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not teach the practice of law or filling out of legal procedural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork...In this case it is just another dreamer that wants so bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say, hey I have a law degree, or hey I have a J.D. degree let me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help you with your divorce, probate paperwork, restraining order or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help you fill out documents for the court. Its a joke....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never learned anything in law school about filling out paperwork
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and after I graduated I had to learn everything from lawyers who learned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from other lawyers...the hard humilating way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with the spirit of what you posted. However, you are incorrect. Having a EJD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can actually contribute to the necessary education required to become a LDA in any of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California's counties. I know, because I am one. I didn't use an EJD (I had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regionally accredited BA and MPA to satisfy mine). Educational only, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experience is another issue. However, I do agree about hanging the JD on the wall---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a good idea--UPOL is definitely something to be leary of. All it takes is one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> client to pull the rug out from under you. One picture of that JD on the wall and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are history, perhaps behind bars...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, as to the original poster, if you think you can make that much doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document preparation, even in a big city, you are bonkers. But hey, whatever floats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your boat...
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crown Prince
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, I got an ABA degree wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better bone up on California law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legal Document Preparation requires meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific educational requirements not a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one which is met by a useless and worthless eJD degree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of a JD degree is legal theory and doctrine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of contracts, torts, criminal procedure, constitional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law and a whole host of other subjects designed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make one pass the bar exam by testing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of legal theory and doctrine, none of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in law school prepares one for the procedural paperwork aspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of law. One is like being a Doctor and the other the Nurse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case YOU would be the nurse and not the doctor so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a doctorate degree from an unaccredited law school would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is useless for a legal document preparer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont waste your money on a eJD. You must take specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paralegal document preparation courses to meet California
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Telling someone you have a eJD degree while preparing their
>>>>>>>>> restraining order or child custody hearing motion will mean
>>>>>>>>> nothing and could constitute the practice of law if they perceive
>>>>>>>>> you are telling them about your unaccredited eJD degree and how
>>>>>>>>> and why that degree lets you help them fill out their document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dont start a legal document preparation business and hang that
>>>>>>>>>>> eJD degree anywhere near your "customers".....One mistake and
>>>>>>>>>> the customer hires a real lawyer with a real J.D. degree and
>>>>>>>>>> you will find out real fast how much trouble you really are in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/06/08, Don't Want Bar Exam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to learn law in my DL eJD program and later become the best darn top
>>>>>>>>>>> notch registered California Legal Document Assistant/Mediator/Notary Public. I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> let the smart students become lawyers and do all the hard work, they can have all
>>>>>>>>>>> the fame and glory. I just want to sell legal documents like divorces, wills,
>>>>>>>>>>> LLCs, name changes, power of attorney and small claims documents, . I want to be
>>>>>>>>>>> just like LegalZoom. But smaller and I don't need to be a multi-billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>> business, I'll settle for 2 or 3 million, I mean why be greedy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>On 9/06/08, Crown Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree. Believe me, I tried to find loopholes to make it faster myself. There
>>>>>>>>>>>are none. If you seriously think you can take the bar in any jurisdiction by
>>>>>>>>>>>taking a non-bar track DL JD program, you also probably think Barack Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>would make a good president.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Do your research, contact your respective state bar(s), and post information if
>>>>>>>>>>>it is relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I, unlike some of the other posters, don't mind the questions, as it allows us
>>>>>>>>>>>to quash them and set people straight. Besides, they are always useful for a
>>>>>>>>>>>good laugh...
>>>>>>>>>>>Crown Prince
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