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Re: Toyota Owners (online) Unite for Resolution: Engine Slu
Posted by v on 7/27/07

    I'm not here to debate Charlene Blake. Over a period of years, there must be
    complaints in state files over anything to do with toyota. What i don't understand
    is, looking for what kind of a freebie? So far (as far as scams go) i don't see
    where the money is to be made if a lawyer has to be hired to get anything for free
    out of a dealership. Are you saying Ms Blake is a communist trying to bring down our
    country by interfering with trade, by causeing harm to toyota sales? Or is a biggot
    and dosen't like asian people, or their products? I'm just curious, i read alot of
    4x mags., so far i've seen little if any in the way of complaints there as to what
    has been refered to here, as a problem with a product from toyota. I could care less
    one way or the other. I've been tempted by their adds. But the product testers
    always point out there short comings. Toyota has a long way to go to catch up to the
    big two, if they want to stay in that segment game. False advertising dosen't win
    hearts and minds. It lost my sale for good. But like some body already said, they
    don't need my money, who am i! I trust the quality of what i already own. A GMC.


    On 7/27/07, Lianne Spencer wrote:
    > Can Charlene Blake and her loyal minions pass the smell test?
    > Not very often you say?
    > Not an unreasonable response, considering most of what Blake rants on about is
    > heavily embellished and in many cases outright lies!!
    > About all those "respective state complaints".............
    > How many of them are real?
    > How many of them are legitimate--and not just a case of somebody neglecting
    > maintenance and trying for a freebie?
    > How many are written by Charlene lake herself as she often does to plump up the
    > stats?
    > How many are from the competition using reverse marketing tactics?
    > It goes on, and on, and on............
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 7/26/07, v wrote:
    >> Ditto Justice Mudge. If what OP says is true, can it pass the smell test. I
    >> wonder how many consumer complaints have been filed in the respective states
    > of
    >> purchase.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/26/07, Robert Wiley wrote:
    >>> "Curmudgeon" or whoever you are, Toyota is a reputable company which builds
    >>> good automobiles.
    >>> They have earned their place in the market by hard work and integrity.
    >>> Those kinds of attributes evidently are beyond your comprehension.
    >>> Toyota doesn't need your kind of business, so your veiled threats, empty
    >>> accusations, and asinine rhetoric doesn't count for spit.
    >>> Go peddle your vitriol somewhere else.
    >>> Your score? Zero plus Zero equals Zero.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 7/26/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>> I don't have a dog in this fight. Never owned a Toyota. Never even
    >>>> driven a Toyota. But the fact that Toyota has paid PR flacks defaming
    >>>> individuals on the internet convinces me that it has too much to cover up
    >>>> and I will never buy a Toyota.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/26/07, Ben Voulin wrote:
    >>>>> Sorry. Not going to play your game!
    >>>>> The onus is on Charlene Blake to either put up or shut up on this one.
    >>>>> It will remain refuted until she proves otherwise.
    >>>>> So don't confuse the issue with childish games.
    >>>>> She made the claim, I don't believe it and expressed that accordingly.
    >>>>> Playing mind games isn't going to change my mind or anyone else having
    >>>>> even the tiniest bit of common sense.
    >>>>> So don't even try to twist it around and change the burden of proof from
    >>>>> Charlene Blake to yours truly!
    >>>>> Gamesmanship won't work this time.
    >>>>> Charlene Blake must put up or shut up on this one!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> PS....you really demonstrate your lack of any integrity by hiding behind
    >>>>> anonymity. My name and E-Mail address is real, because I have nothing to
    >>>>> hide.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 7/26/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>>>> Then, sir, please tell us the source of your information from which
    >>>>>> you can absolutely deny that Toyota has any relationship with
    >>>>>> complaintremover.com.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 7/26/07, Ben Voulin wrote:
    >>>>>>> Not only is my denial of Charlene Blake's wild accusation factual,
    >>>>>>> it's a testimonial to the irrationality and futility of her repeated
    >>>>>>> attacks on automakers.
    >>>>>>> If there was any proof whatsoever that her claim was valid, I'd be
    >>>>>>> the first to apologize!
    >>>>>>> But she can't show any proof at all, and she knows it.
    >>>>>>> Someone wrote earlier in this forum that Charlene Blake is
    >>>>>>> completely nuts.
    >>>>>>> If her latest accusation has any value whatsoever, it's yet another
    >>>>>>> example of how far off her rocker she really is.
    >>>>>>> Her fantasy that Toyota has some relationship
    >>>>>>> with "Complaintremover.com" is just plain insane by anyone's
    >>>>>>> standard.
    >>>>>>> Furthermore, your half witted "presumption" that I'm in some way
    >>>>>>> involved with Toyota in Charlene's latest fantasy is about as off
    >>>>>>> balance as it gets.
    >>>>>>> She has really lost it this time!! You too, my friend!!
    >>>>>>> I submit that your analogy is every bit as nuts as she is.
    >>>>>>> If you honestly believe your own convoluted BS, then my advice to
    >>>>>>> you would be to get some reality counselling.
    >>>>>>> At the very least, get real before fantasyland becomes too
    >>>>>>> compfortable.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 7/26/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>>>>>> If your denial of Charlene Blake's accusation is factual, you must
    >>>>>>>> have some evidence of that and such evidence could only come from
    >>>>>>>> deep inside Toyota at the most confidential levels. Therefore, we
    >>>>>>>> must presume that you are an insider with Toyota and that Toyota
    >>>>>>>> has its employees and agents actively following these websites and
    >>>>>>>> campaigning to denounce any negative publicity.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 7/26/07, Ben Voulin wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake has really taken liberty with the truth this
    >>>>>>>>> time!!
    >>>>>>>>> Here's what she wrote: "Apparently, Toyota is associated with an
    >>>>>>>>> internet company, 'Complaintremover.com,' which promises to
    >>>>>>>>> remove negative complaints about it from Google searches.
    >>>>>>>>> Now that's an outragious claim if there ever was one!!
    >>>>>>>>> It clearly illustrates that Charlene Blake doesn't care how big
    >>>>>>>>> the lie as long as it fans the flames of her campaign of
    >>>>>>>>> misinformation and distorted reality.
    >>>>>>>>> When Charlene Blake accuses people of misdeeds like that, she'd
    >>>>>>>>> better be prepared to back up her lies with some real proof.
    >>>>>>>>> In this case she would find that impossible--simply because it's
    >>>>>>>>> completely false and a completely baseless accusation.
    >>>>>>>>> Or is Charlene Blake just getting wildly desperate because her
    >>>>>>>>> lost cause is long past being hopeless.
    >>>>>>>>> Lesson learned---baseless propaganda in and of itself isn't the
    >>>>>>>>> way Charlene.
    >>>>>>>>> In this instance you have really exposed who you are, what
    >>>>>>>>> tactics you stoop to, and how desperately empty your tank of
    >>>>>>>>> credibility is.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 7/20/07, Charlene Blake wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> It is worth noting that if one does a search on Toyota's web
    >>>>>>>>>> site for 'Customer Support Program for Engine Oil Gelation' or
    >>>>>>>>>> anything close to it, nothing comes up!! The only thing about
    >>>>>>>>>> this program that comes up on a Google search is what I have
    >>>>>>>>>> written about it!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> What's REALLY going on at Toyota? Is the company intentionally
    >>>>>>>>>> hiding this very important information from its customers? Are
    >>>>>>>>>> dealerships acting like they don't know anything about the
    >>>>>>>>>> program?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Bruce Ertmann, CEO at Toyota, admitted that the first round of
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota owner letters that were sent out in a staggered fashion
    >>>>>>>>>> in February 2002 was halted before the 3.3 million Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>> vehicle owners received them. The first letter was called the
    >>>>>>>>>> SPA or 'Special Adjustment Policy' and it was good for 12
    >>>>>>>>>> months. It covered repairs for engine oil sludge in an engine
    >>>>>>>>>> that was sufficiently maintained by the owner.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> After a near online revolt by Toyota owners, Toyota then
    >>>>>>>>> issued
    >>>>>>>>>> the CSP or 'Customer Support Program for Engine Oil Gelation'
    >>>>>>>>>> in April 2002. This program covers sludge repairs for EIGHT
    >>>>>>>>>> YEARS and UNLIMITED MILEAGE, starting with the purchase date.
    >>>>>>>>>> Once again, Toyota claimed that it would send out all 3.3
    >>>>>>>>>> million Toyota owner letters in a staggered manner.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> One year after this claim, Toyota owners continued to post
    >>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>> they had not yet received any such letter. The discussions
    >>>>>>>>> took
    >>>>>>>>>> place on Edmunds.com 'Town Hall' (now known as
    >>>>>>>>>> CarSpace.com 'Forums'), on Cartrackers.com 'Toyota Forum,' The
    >>>>>>>>>> Complaint Station for Toyota, and a number of other auto
    >>>>>>>>> sites.
    >>>>>>>>>> Mr. Ertmann participated in some of the forums and he assured
    >>>>>>>>>> customers that their sludge issues would be addressed. He also
    >>>>>>>>>> assured owners that they would received their letter.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Well, it has been over seven years since this CSP was issued
    >>>>>>>>>> now and still many Toyota owners indicate that they received
    >>>>>>>>> no
    >>>>>>>>>> such letter. Further, they tell stories about their
    >>>>>>>>> experiences
    >>>>>>>>>> that mimic what the ORIGINAL SLUDGE VICTIMS posted
    >>>>>>>>>> about....before any programs were initiated! Deja Vu?!? Sure
    >>>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>>>> is! Apparently, Toyota never planned to send out all the
    >>>>>>>>>> letters. Further, it continues to keep quiet about the CSP and
    >>>>>>>>>> to keep its customers in the dark! Now that the sites where
    >>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>> discussions took place are defunct (hacking, etc.), Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>> customers are having difficulty finding the much needed engine
    >>>>>>>>>> oil sludge information.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Go ahead...do a search on Toyota's very own web site and see
    >>>>>>>>>> what you find on this very serious engine condition! As of
    >>>>>>>>>> today, 7/16/07, SPA and CSP searches yield nothing...no owner
    >>>>>>>>>> letter information, no details about the programs, NOTHING!
    >>>>>>>>> So,
    >>>>>>>>>> why is this? Why is Toyota keeping this information from the
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners...1997-2002 vehicle owners some of whom still
    >>>>>>>>>> qualify for the program based on age and/or mileage?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Don't the 3.3 million Toyota owners have a right to know about
    >>>>>>>>>> this??? Why should the only mention of these progams be in my
    >>>>>>>>>> postings after a Google search? Does Toyota actively seek to
    >>>>>>>>>> remove negative complaints about its company from internet
    >>>>>>>>>> searches? Does it actively to remove key information about
    >>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>> engine oil gelation from internet searches?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Apparently, Toyota is associated with an internet
    >>>>>>>>>> company, 'Complaintremover.com,' which promises to remove
    >>>>>>>>>> negative complaints about it from Google searches. This same
    >>>>>>>>>> company claims that it will PROVIDE positive postings to take
    >>>>>>>>>> the place of the negative ones! This company says it
    >>>>>>>>>> can 'unlock Google cache' and manipulate what information
    >>>>>>>>>> appears on the first pages of a Google search!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm...active manipulation of posted
    >>>>>>>>> information...particularly
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota vehicle owner information! Does this sound like
    >>>>>>>>>> something you, a current Toyota owner and/or would-be Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>> would accept?!?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Forgive me, but this sounds like a company that is afraid of
    >>>>>>>>>> the truth! Why would a company that has risen to #1 in the
    >>>>>>>>> auto
    >>>>>>>>>> marketplace need to intentionally manipulate search
    >>>>>>>>>> information?!? Is it afraid that this *sanitized* information
    >>>>>>>>>> might keep it from maintaining this status? Is it afraid that
    >>>>>>>>>> that Toyota owners might continue to ask the tough questions?
    >>>>>>>>>> WHY would it need to form a partnership with this 'search
    >>>>>>>>>> engine optimization' (translated: removal of key information)
    >>>>>>>>>> company?!?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Something isn't right about this! Is the intent to weaken the
    >>>>>>>>>> power of the Toyota consumer? Is it to limit the Toyota
    >>>>>>>>> owners'
    >>>>>>>>>> freedom of speech? Is it to keep the would-be Toyota owners
    >>>>>>>>>> from seeing what has transpired in the last few
    >>>>>>>>>> years...especially concerning Toyota engine oil sludge?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> It is my personal feeling that if consumers knew what
    >>>>>>>>> companies
    >>>>>>>>>> like Toyota are doing to keep the real world experiences
    >>>>>>>>>> (perceived to be negative by the company) of its vehicle
    >>>>>>>>> owners
    >>>>>>>>>> from coming forward, they would be SHOCKED!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> This reminds me of what happened back in 2001 when I posted
    >>>>>>>>>> that the Toyota Financial Services web site had a 'Engine
    >>>>>>>>>> Sludge' link. This was back when some 'regulars' on
    >>>>>>>>> Edmunds.com
    >>>>>>>>>> were saying that Toyota sludge was just one big hoax. This was
    >>>>>>>>>> back when Edmunds.com banned me from asking the tough
    >>>>>>>>> questions
    >>>>>>>>>> about Toyota on its web site. This was back when Toyota blamed
    >>>>>>>>>> the engine oil sludge on the Toyota owners and made void the
    >>>>>>>>>> new vehicle warranty as soon as it surfaced!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I posted the information, including the link to that
    >>>>>>>>>> TFS 'Engine Sludge' link, and within 72 hours, it was REMOVED!
    >>>>>>>>>> Guess that it might have been very embarrassing for
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota...after all, NOTHING was revealed about engine sludge
    >>>>>>>>> up
    >>>>>>>>>> to that point...except by the Toyota owners posting online.
    >>>>>>>>>> POOF! Evidence removed, just like that! Wouldn't it be very
    >>>>>>>>>> interesting to find out what else has been removed online by
    >>>>>>>>>> the company?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm...I am wondering if this has anything to do with
    >>>>>>>>>> the 'corporate protectors' following me around wherever I post
    >>>>>>>>>> to challenge my Toyota engine oil sludge information? Such
    >>>>>>>>>> personal attacks all because I am giving information that
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota refuses to? Strange, isn't it? Let's just say that I am
    >>>>>>>>>> concerned about the current Toyota owners who have sludge and
    >>>>>>>>>> not one shred of information about the SPA or the CSP.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Now, the sludge is just one issue. There are many others
    >>>>>>>>>> associated with the Toyota Sienna that have also been swept
    >>>>>>>>>> under the table. Pulling to the left, recurrent brake problems
    >>>>>>>>>> (brake drums), sticking (sometimes breaking) sliding door
    >>>>>>>>>> locks, power steering problems, excessive tire wear,
    >>>>>>>>>> transmission failures, emissions control component failures,
    >>>>>>>>>> speedometer failure, excessive heat with highway driving,
    >>>>>>>>> paint
    >>>>>>>>>> flaking, etc. And...I won't even discuss the 4Runner head
    >>>>>>>>>> gasket issue here!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> One of the 'corporate protectors' said that Toyota was no
    >>>>>>>>>> different than any other carmaker. Hmmm...that isn't what the
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners were told in the advertisements!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Look..all we, the Toyota owners are asking for is the truth.
    >>>>>>>>> We
    >>>>>>>>>> want Toyota to both acknowledge and fix, once and for all, the
    >>>>>>>>>> engine oil sludge problem. At this point, Toyota owners aren't
    >>>>>>>>>> even able to get the information from Toyota. Is this FAIR?!?
    >>>>>>>>>> This situation is unacceptable...and I am far from alone in
    >>>>>>>>>> this sentiment.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com

     
     

 
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