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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna
Posted by Randolph Scott on 9/08/07

    Mr/Ms "V":

    Yes "V", I must agree with you.
    The "Made in America" competition must be pretty desperate to hire goons to post stupid
    remarks like you just did to defend BSers when they post lies.
    "Buy American??"
    You've got to be kidding!!
    Stuff produced there now is worse than the Chinese crap they import because nobody is
    willing to pay the inflated prices for "Made In America" things any more.
    Truth hurts, doesn't it!!
    BTW, when it comes to "thugs", you rate right up there with the rest of them!!

    > Toyota must be desperate. If they
    > have to hire thugs to beat down the
    > truth from people who've been
    > screwed making a purchase of their
    > product. If they can't take the
    > heat ... get out of the kitchen.
    > Saloution! BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >
    >
    > On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>
    >> In spite of your feeble
    > protestations to the contrary, your
    > story is still a crock of
    >> meaningless crap.
    >> Anybody can post statements like
    > you just did, make ridiculous claims
    > about "I Have
    >> Receipts", and then expect others
    > to believe them.
    >> That won't make any of such crap
    > more beievable.
    >> Perhaps some will believe your
    > story, but I certainly don't.
    >> If you're so convinced
    > that "receipts" are proof,don't send
    > them to me--- post them
    >> here!! It's actually easier to do.
    >> And make sure they're not just
    > phonied up ones!!
    >> I await your so called "receipts".
    > (LOL!!)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Otherwise your lies are on record
    >> On 9/07/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>
    >>> If you like, I can email you a
    > copy of my receipt, dated today, for
    > the FOUR door
    >>> handles that I just purchased
    > from the Toyota dealer in my area.
    > I ordered them on
    >>> the day I originally posted this
    > message and they came in today. I
    > paid $335 for the
    >>> four handles and then will pay
    > another $400 to my mechanic to
    > install them.
    >>>
    >>> I have no reason to make up a
    > story or facts. I'm just stating
    > the truth about my own
    >>> experience and you are very rude
    > and presumptuous to call me a liar.
    > I have
    >>> absolutely no reason to lie and,
    > in fact, since I had researched
    > many, many vehicles
    >>> and came to the conclusion that
    > my Toyota would be a good buy, my
    > initial compulsion
    >>> would be to defend my decision.
    >>>
    >>> However, the vehicle speaks for
    > itself and I have no other motive
    > than to inform other
    >>> people of the possible problems
    > they could face if they make the
    > same decision I did.
    >>>
    >>> I truly hope that if you are a
    > Toyota owner, that your experience
    > has been better than
    >>> mine. If so, good for you.
    > Either way, you have no place
    > assuming that mine, or any
    >>> other claims, are untrue.
    >>>
    >>> I can assure you that every
    > single thing I said is true and
    > 100&37; accurate. This is
    >>> the first time I have ever posted
    > on a website like this and I have
    > not posted
    >>> anything else on this site or any
    > other before. This is just an
    > honest account of my
    >>> own experience. And, by the way,
    > I have never received any
    > compensation of any kind
    >>> from Toyota for the problems I
    > have encountered. Although I
    > believe that there are
    >>> some major design flaws that have
    > caused these problems, I personally
    > have not
    >>> benefited from any legal
    > proceedings that have taken place.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/05/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >>>> "I am brand new to this
    > conversation but just thought I
    > would give an objective
    >>>> opinion about my personal Toyota
    > vehicle"
    >>>>
    >>>> That statement is about as
    > credible as a guarantee of a lottery
    > win!!
    >>>> Debbie, you are just
    > another "Kill Toyota" hack!!
    >>>> Your post is just so PHONY!!!
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>> I am brand new to this
    > conversation but just thought I
    > would give an objective
    >>>>> opinion about my personal
    > Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> After opting for a Toyota
    > instead of a Honda back in 2003,
    > when I bought my 2000
    >>>>> Sienna, I have had nothing but
    > problems with it. I bought if from
    > the dealer as
    >>>>> a "Certified Vehicle".
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 1. We have a mysterious "oil
    > problem" that even our longtime
    > mechanic can't
    >>>>> figure out. The oil just
    > disappears.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 2. Also, all four of the door
    > handles on my van are broken. I
    > just got off the
    >>>>> phone with the dealer to see
    > about fixing them because now that
    > all four of them
    >>>>> are broken, only one of them
    > allows us to even get in the van,
    > and then we have to
    >>>>> climb in and open all the other
    > doors from the inside. A really
    > annoying side
    >>>>> effect when you are hauling
    > around 4 kids all the time. By the
    > way, it's about
    >>>>> $300 each to fix them. Don't
    > know what I'm going to do yet. It's
    > hardly worth
    >>>>> putting $1200 into my 6 year
    > old van. The one door handle we can
    > still open the
    >>>>> van with is literally in
    > pieces. We've just managed to keep
    > it together because
    >>>>> it's the driver's door handle
    > and I have banned anyone from
    > opening it but me for
    >>>>> fear that it will just fall
    > apart.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 3. My sending unit went out
    > while the van was still under
    > warranty, a very
    >>>>> unusual problem. Even though
    > the dealer admitted it was an
    > unusual problem and
    >>>>> shouldn't have happened, they
    > wouldn't cover it under the warranty.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 4. Various small things have
    > broken, like the handle that adjusts
    > the back of one
    >>>>> of the back bucket seats, has
    > broken. All the cup holders are
    > very flimsy and
    >>>>> several of them have broken.
    > The plastic back of one of the seats
    > just
    >>>>> mysteriously fell off. You
    > can't plug certain things into the
    > lighter sockets or
    >>>>> they will short and blow fuses,
    > and multiple other problems. All of
    > these
    >>>>> problems have occured before
    > the van hit 100,000 miles. The gas
    > mileage is
    >>>>> horrible. I'm lucky to get 15
    > miles to the gallon. Not even close
    > to their
    >>>>> claims. Also, ever since my
    > first flat tire, the out of balance
    > light on my dash
    >>>>> has never gone back off. I've
    > had new tires twice since then and
    > it seems nothing
    >>>>> will keep the darn thing in
    > balance. The dealer basically says,
    > oh well, it's
    >>>>> just a light. I wouldn't worry
    > about it. Also, the remote key
    > entry never
    >>>>> worked. It hasn't worked since
    > I got it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> All I have to say is that I
    > will never buy another Toyota
    > vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>> that has been supposedly one of
    > the most reliable and best built
    > vehicles made, I
    >>>>> have been extremely
    > disappointed. I don't feel the
    > least bit sorry for or
    >>>>> concerned about the dealer. If
    > others have had the problems I've
    > had and can get
    >>>>> the dealer to cover some of
    > their expenses, more power to them.
    > I feel that I
    >>>>> paid top dollar for a very poor
    > performing vehicle and will just
    > stick with Honda
    >>>>> from now on. I've owned many
    > Hondas over the years and never had
    > any of these
    >>>>> problems.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie Chapman
    > wrote:
    >>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE, NO DOUBT THERE
    > ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR PROBLEMS AND
    > OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO BLAME
    > EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA WITHOUT ANY
    > FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I
    > SAID BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE, I
    > AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING THAT
    > OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I SEE
    > IT.
    >>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY ONE
    > DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU CHARLENE
    > BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    > WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY AND DO
    > ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER HOW
    > UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT MAY BE.
    >>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    > EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO IT
    > ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY, A CHARLATAN,
    > AND A FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE
    > CHEAP
    >>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE TIME, EVERY
    > TIME.
    >>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    > PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH YOUR
    > TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    > CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY
    > SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE MORE YOU
    > SAY, THE
    >>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE, I
    > AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING THAT
    > OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I SEE
    > IT.
    >>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY ONE
    > DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU CHARLENE
    > BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    > WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY AND DO
    > ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER HOW
    > UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT MAY BE.
    >>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    > EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO IT
    > ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>> YOU ARE A CHARLATAN AND A
    > FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE CHEAP
    > THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    > PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH YOUR
    > TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    > CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO
    > SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE MORE
    > YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER THING, I CHOOSE
    > TO USE CAPS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO
    > DO SO IN
    >>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT
    > IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU AS A YELLING
    > MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH IT.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Charlene Blake
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A RESPONSE BY
    > CHARLENE BLAKE I AM MORE SUSPICIOUS
    > THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE STORY. IT SOUNDS
    > LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Are you implying that the
    > Toyota owners are conning Toyota? I
    > see it
    >>>>>>>> now...poor automaker backed
    > into a corner by Toyota owner
    > conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota Sienna vans
    > have a problem with STICKING sliding
    > door locks.
    >>>>>>>> Toyota has not PROPERLY
    > ADDRESSED this matter. Toyota
    > BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT issued a very
    > important SAFETY RECALL for this
    > problem!
    >>>>>>>> Toyota is therefore putting
    > the Toyota owners and their
    > families,
    >>>>>>>> particularly small children,
    > at risk.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Now, if you want an open,
    > public debate about this problem, I
    > am happy to
    >>>>>>>> oblige. You are using all
    > capital letters in a "yelling"
    > mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>> necessary and is actually
    > offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> The issue is does Toyota
    > have a problem with the *sticking
    > sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>> not. If you can disprove
    > the facts that the Toyota owners are
    > providing,
    >>>>>>>> then please do so. The
    > dealerships have admitted a problem
    > with this for
    >>>>>>>> YEARS according to many
    > internet-posting Toyota owners.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Face it. Help the Toyota
    > owners! The manufacturer doesn't
    > need your
    >>>>>>>> protection, does it? OR,
    > does it?????
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>> Toyota Owners Unite for
    > Resolution

     
     

 
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