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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna
Posted by Grampa B. on 9/08/07

    On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    > Mr/Ms "V":
    >
    > Yes "V", I must agree with you.
    > The "Made in America" competition must be pretty desperate to hire goons to post stupid
    > remarks like you just did to defend BSers when they post lies.
    > "Buy American??"
    > You've got to be kidding!!
    > Stuff produced there now is worse than the Chinese crap they import because nobody is
    > willing to pay the inflated prices for "Made In America" things any more.
    > Truth hurts, doesn't it!!
    > BTW, when it comes to "thugs", you rate right up there with the rest of them!!
    >
    >
    >
    >> Toyota must be desperate. If they
    >> have to hire thugs to beat down the
    >> truth from people who've been
    >> screwed making a purchase of their
    >> product. If they can't take the
    >> heat ... get out of the kitchen.
    >> Saloution! BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>
    >>> In spite of your feeble
    >> protestations to the contrary, your
    >> story is still a crock of
    >>> meaningless crap.
    >>> Anybody can post statements like
    >> you just did, make ridiculous claims
    >> about "I Have
    >>> Receipts", and then expect others
    >> to believe them.
    >>> That won't make any of such crap
    >> more beievable.
    >>> Perhaps some will believe your
    >> story, but I certainly don't.
    >>> If you're so convinced
    >> that "receipts" are proof,don't send
    >> them to me--- post them
    >>> here!! It's actually easier to do.
    >>> And make sure they're not just
    >> phonied up ones!!
    >>> I await your so called "receipts".
    >> (LOL!!)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Otherwise your lies are on record
    >>> On 9/07/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>
    >>>> If you like, I can email you a
    >> copy of my receipt, dated today, for
    >> the FOUR door
    >>>> handles that I just purchased
    >> from the Toyota dealer in my area.
    >> I ordered them on
    >>>> the day I originally posted this
    >> message and they came in today. I
    >> paid $335 for the
    >>>> four handles and then will pay
    >> another $400 to my mechanic to
    >> install them.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have no reason to make up a
    >> story or facts. I'm just stating
    >> the truth about my own
    >>>> experience and you are very rude
    >> and presumptuous to call me a liar.
    >> I have
    >>>> absolutely no reason to lie and,
    >> in fact, since I had researched
    >> many, many vehicles
    >>>> and came to the conclusion that
    >> my Toyota would be a good buy, my
    >> initial compulsion
    >>>> would be to defend my decision.
    >>>>
    >>>> However, the vehicle speaks for
    >> itself and I have no other motive
    >> than to inform other
    >>>> people of the possible problems
    >> they could face if they make the
    >> same decision I did.
    >>>>
    >>>> I truly hope that if you are a
    >> Toyota owner, that your experience
    >> has been better than
    >>>> mine. If so, good for you.
    >> Either way, you have no place
    >> assuming that mine, or any
    >>>> other claims, are untrue.
    >>>>
    >>>> I can assure you that every
    >> single thing I said is true and
    >> 100&37; accurate. This is
    >>>> the first time I have ever posted
    >> on a website like this and I have
    >> not posted
    >>>> anything else on this site or any
    >> other before. This is just an
    >> honest account of my
    >>>> own experience. And, by the way,
    >> I have never received any
    >> compensation of any kind
    >>>> from Toyota for the problems I
    >> have encountered. Although I
    >> believe that there are
    >>>> some major design flaws that have
    >> caused these problems, I personally
    >> have not
    >>>> benefited from any legal
    >> proceedings that have taken place.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >>>>> "I am brand new to this
    >> conversation but just thought I
    >> would give an objective
    >>>>> opinion about my personal Toyota
    >> vehicle"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That statement is about as
    >> credible as a guarantee of a lottery
    >> win!!
    >>>>> Debbie, you are just
    >> another "Kill Toyota" hack!!
    >>>>> Your post is just so PHONY!!!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>>> I am brand new to this
    >> conversation but just thought I
    >> would give an objective
    >>>>>> opinion about my personal
    >> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> After opting for a Toyota
    >> instead of a Honda back in 2003,
    >> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>> Sienna, I have had nothing but
    >> problems with it. I bought if from
    >> the dealer as
    >>>>>> a "Certified Vehicle".
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 1. We have a mysterious "oil
    >> problem" that even our longtime
    >> mechanic can't
    >>>>>> figure out. The oil just
    >> disappears.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 2. Also, all four of the door
    >> handles on my van are broken. I
    >> just got off the
    >>>>>> phone with the dealer to see
    >> about fixing them because now that
    >> all four of them
    >>>>>> are broken, only one of them
    >> allows us to even get in the van,
    >> and then we have to
    >>>>>> climb in and open all the other
    >> doors from the inside. A really
    >> annoying side
    >>>>>> effect when you are hauling
    >> around 4 kids all the time. By the
    >> way, it's about
    >>>>>> $300 each to fix them. Don't
    >> know what I'm going to do yet. It's
    >> hardly worth
    >>>>>> putting $1200 into my 6 year
    >> old van. The one door handle we can
    >> still open the
    >>>>>> van with is literally in
    >> pieces. We've just managed to keep
    >> it together because
    >>>>>> it's the driver's door handle
    >> and I have banned anyone from
    >> opening it but me for
    >>>>>> fear that it will just fall
    >> apart.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 3. My sending unit went out
    >> while the van was still under
    >> warranty, a very
    >>>>>> unusual problem. Even though
    >> the dealer admitted it was an
    >> unusual problem and
    >>>>>> shouldn't have happened, they
    >> wouldn't cover it under the warranty.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 4. Various small things have
    >> broken, like the handle that adjusts
    >> the back of one
    >>>>>> of the back bucket seats, has
    >> broken. All the cup holders are
    >> very flimsy and
    >>>>>> several of them have broken.
    >> The plastic back of one of the seats
    >> just
    >>>>>> mysteriously fell off. You
    >> can't plug certain things into the
    >> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>> they will short and blow fuses,
    >> and multiple other problems. All of
    >> these
    >>>>>> problems have occured before
    >> the van hit 100,000 miles. The gas
    >> mileage is
    >>>>>> horrible. I'm lucky to get 15
    >> miles to the gallon. Not even close
    >> to their
    >>>>>> claims. Also, ever since my
    >> first flat tire, the out of balance
    >> light on my dash
    >>>>>> has never gone back off. I've
    >> had new tires twice since then and
    >> it seems nothing
    >>>>>> will keep the darn thing in
    >> balance. The dealer basically says,
    >> oh well, it's
    >>>>>> just a light. I wouldn't worry
    >> about it. Also, the remote key
    >> entry never
    >>>>>> worked. It hasn't worked since
    >> I got it.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> All I have to say is that I
    >> will never buy another Toyota
    >> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>> that has been supposedly one of
    >> the most reliable and best built
    >> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>> have been extremely
    >> disappointed. I don't feel the
    >> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>> concerned about the dealer. If
    >> others have had the problems I've
    >> had and can get
    >>>>>> the dealer to cover some of
    >> their expenses, more power to them.
    >> I feel that I
    >>>>>> paid top dollar for a very poor
    >> performing vehicle and will just
    >> stick with Honda
    >>>>>> from now on. I've owned many
    >> Hondas over the years and never had
    >> any of these
    >>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie Chapman
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE, NO DOUBT THERE
    >> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR PROBLEMS AND
    >> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO BLAME
    >> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA WITHOUT ANY
    >> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I
    >> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE, I
    >> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING THAT
    >> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I SEE
    >> IT.
    >>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY ONE
    >> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU CHARLENE
    >> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    >> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY AND DO
    >> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER HOW
    >> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT MAY BE.
    >>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO IT
    >> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY, A CHARLATAN,
    >> AND A FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE
    >> CHEAP
    >>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE TIME, EVERY
    >> TIME.
    >>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    >> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH YOUR
    >> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY
    >> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE MORE YOU
    >> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE, I
    >> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING THAT
    >> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I SEE
    >> IT.
    >>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY ONE
    >> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU CHARLENE
    >> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    >> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY AND DO
    >> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER HOW
    >> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO IT
    >> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>> YOU ARE A CHARLATAN AND A
    >> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE CHEAP
    >> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    >> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH YOUR
    >> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO
    >> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE MORE
    >> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER THING, I CHOOSE
    >> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO
    >> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT
    >> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU AS A YELLING
    >> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH IT.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Charlene Blake
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A RESPONSE BY
    >> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM MORE SUSPICIOUS
    >> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE STORY. IT SOUNDS
    >> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Are you implying that the
    >> Toyota owners are conning Toyota? I
    >> see it
    >>>>>>>>> now...poor automaker backed
    >> into a corner by Toyota owner
    >> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota Sienna vans
    >> have a problem with STICKING sliding
    >> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>> Toyota has not PROPERLY
    >> ADDRESSED this matter. Toyota
    >> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT issued a very
    >> important SAFETY RECALL for this
    >> problem!
    >>>>>>>>> Toyota is therefore putting
    >> the Toyota owners and their
    >> families,
    >>>>>>>>> particularly small children,
    >> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Now, if you want an open,
    >> public debate about this problem, I
    >> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>> oblige. You are using all
    >> capital letters in a "yelling"
    >> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>> necessary and is actually
    >> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> The issue is does Toyota
    >> have a problem with the *sticking
    >> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>> not. If you can disprove
    >> the facts that the Toyota owners are
    >> providing,
    >>>>>>>>> then please do so. The
    >> dealerships have admitted a problem
    >> with this for
    >>>>>>>>> YEARS according to many
    >> internet-posting Toyota owners.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Face it. Help the Toyota
    >> owners! The manufacturer doesn't
    >> need your
    >>>>>>>>> protection, does it? OR,
    >> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners Unite for
    >> Resolution

     
     

 
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