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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna
Posted by v on 9/08/07

    I concur Mudge. These P.R. Fruit cakes think i'm one of them. The defenders of the brand are brand
    flakes. We can mix them all together and have breakfast on the hood of their toyotas. In Iraq with Al Quida
    and fry some bacon while we enjoy. Wonder why those insurgents like the brand so much???

    On 9/08/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    > I don't like Toyota's PR tactics. It obviously has much to hide. I will never buy a Toyota and will
    > encourage everyone I know to avoid this brand.
    >
    > On 9/08/07, Margaret St. Clair wrote:
    >> To "V"--Whoever You Are:--
    >>
    >> You seem unusually defensive of posts directed against Toyota when anyone questions their veracity.
    >> It seems to me that many of these posts are artificial, in that when they appear, you are always
    >> present to defend them.
    >> That suggests you are involved in their being here in the first place, and may very well be planting
    >> some, if not all, of them as a result of your perverse animosity toward Toyota.
    >> Most of your comments are quite ignorant and foul mouthed.
    >> If then you are as ugly as you are ignorant, you are a real loser.
    >> Sadly, you don't seem to realize just how stupid you appear.
    >> I suggest you should remain in the trailer park you belong in.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>> No offense gramps looks like you
    >>> and your friend randolph are
    >>> busted!!!!!! END ..... GAME OVER
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/08/07, Grampa.B wrote:
    >>>> Hey Randolph::
    >>>>
    >>>> A word to the wise. That "V"
    >>> doofus is one of the goons who keeps
    >>> putting phony names in
    >>>> Charlene Blake's crapped out
    >>> petition.
    >>>> Pay no attention to the creep.
    >>>>
    >>>> Grampa.B
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa B. wrote:
    >>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >>>>>> Mr/Ms "V":
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Yes "V", I must agree with you.
    >>>>>> The "Made in America"
    >>> competition must be pretty desperate
    >>> to hire goons to post stupid
    >>>>>> remarks like you just did to
    >>> defend BSers when they post lies.
    >>>>>> "Buy American??"
    >>>>>> You've got to be kidding!!
    >>>>>> Stuff produced there now is
    >>> worse than the Chinese crap they
    >>> import because nobody is
    >>>>>> willing to pay the inflated
    >>> prices for "Made In America" things
    >>> any more.
    >>>>>> Truth hurts, doesn't it!!
    >>>>>> BTW, when it comes to "thugs",
    >>> you rate right up there with the
    >>> rest of them!!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Toyota must be desperate. If
    >>> they
    >>>>>>> have to hire thugs to beat down
    >>> the
    >>>>>>> truth from people who've been
    >>>>>>> screwed making a purchase of
    >>> their
    >>>>>>> product. If they can't take the
    >>>>>>> heat ... get out of the
    >>> kitchen.
    >>>>>>> Saloution! BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> In spite of your feeble
    >>>>>>> protestations to the contrary,
    >>> your
    >>>>>>> story is still a crock of
    >>>>>>>> meaningless crap.
    >>>>>>>> Anybody can post statements
    >>> like
    >>>>>>> you just did, make ridiculous
    >>> claims
    >>>>>>> about "I Have
    >>>>>>>> Receipts", and then expect
    >>> others
    >>>>>>> to believe them.
    >>>>>>>> That won't make any of such
    >>> crap
    >>>>>>> more beievable.
    >>>>>>>> Perhaps some will believe your
    >>>>>>> story, but I certainly don't.
    >>>>>>>> If you're so convinced
    >>>>>>> that "receipts" are proof,don't
    >>> send
    >>>>>>> them to me--- post them
    >>>>>>>> here!! It's actually easier to
    >>> do.
    >>>>>>>> And make sure they're not just
    >>>>>>> phonied up ones!!
    >>>>>>>> I await your so
    >>> called "receipts".
    >>>>>>> (LOL!!)
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Otherwise your lies are on
    >>> record
    >>>>>>>> On 9/07/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> If you like, I can email you
    >>> a
    >>>>>>> copy of my receipt, dated
    >>> today, for
    >>>>>>> the FOUR door
    >>>>>>>>> handles that I just purchased
    >>>>>>> from the Toyota dealer in my
    >>> area.
    >>>>>>> I ordered them on
    >>>>>>>>> the day I originally posted
    >>> this
    >>>>>>> message and they came in
    >>> today. I
    >>>>>>> paid $335 for the
    >>>>>>>>> four handles and then will
    >>> pay
    >>>>>>> another $400 to my mechanic to
    >>>>>>> install them.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I have no reason to make up a
    >>>>>>> story or facts. I'm just
    >>> stating
    >>>>>>> the truth about my own
    >>>>>>>>> experience and you are very
    >>> rude
    >>>>>>> and presumptuous to call me a
    >>> liar.
    >>>>>>> I have
    >>>>>>>>> absolutely no reason to lie
    >>> and,
    >>>>>>> in fact, since I had researched
    >>>>>>> many, many vehicles
    >>>>>>>>> and came to the conclusion
    >>> that
    >>>>>>> my Toyota would be a good buy,
    >>> my
    >>>>>>> initial compulsion
    >>>>>>>>> would be to defend my
    >>> decision.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> However, the vehicle speaks
    >>> for
    >>>>>>> itself and I have no other
    >>> motive
    >>>>>>> than to inform other
    >>>>>>>>> people of the possible
    >>> problems
    >>>>>>> they could face if they make
    >>> the
    >>>>>>> same decision I did.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I truly hope that if you are
    >>> a
    >>>>>>> Toyota owner, that your
    >>> experience
    >>>>>>> has been better than
    >>>>>>>>> mine. If so, good for you.
    >>>>>>> Either way, you have no place
    >>>>>>> assuming that mine, or any
    >>>>>>>>> other claims, are untrue.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I can assure you that every
    >>>>>>> single thing I said is true and
    >>>>>>> 100&37; accurate. This is
    >>>>>>>>> the first time I have ever
    >>> posted
    >>>>>>> on a website like this and I
    >>> have
    >>>>>>> not posted
    >>>>>>>>> anything else on this site or
    >>> any
    >>>>>>> other before. This is just an
    >>>>>>> honest account of my
    >>>>>>>>> own experience. And, by the
    >>> way,
    >>>>>>> I have never received any
    >>>>>>> compensation of any kind
    >>>>>>>>> from Toyota for the problems
    >>> I
    >>>>>>> have encountered. Although I
    >>>>>>> believe that there are
    >>>>>>>>> some major design flaws that
    >>> have
    >>>>>>> caused these problems, I
    >>> personally
    >>>>>>> have not
    >>>>>>>>> benefited from any legal
    >>>>>>> proceedings that have taken
    >>> place.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph Scott
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> "I am brand new to this
    >>>>>>> conversation but just thought I
    >>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>> opinion about my personal
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>> vehicle"
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> That statement is about as
    >>>>>>> credible as a guarantee of a
    >>> lottery
    >>>>>>> win!!
    >>>>>>>>>> Debbie, you are just
    >>>>>>> another "Kill Toyota" hack!!
    >>>>>>>>>> Your post is just so PHONY!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> I am brand new to this
    >>>>>>> conversation but just thought I
    >>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my personal
    >>>>>>> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> After opting for a Toyota
    >>>>>>> instead of a Honda back in
    >>> 2003,
    >>>>>>> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>>>>>>> Sienna, I have had nothing
    >>> but
    >>>>>>> problems with it. I bought if
    >>> from
    >>>>>>> the dealer as
    >>>>>>>>>>> a "Certified Vehicle".
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> 1. We have a
    >>> mysterious "oil
    >>>>>>> problem" that even our longtime
    >>>>>>> mechanic can't
    >>>>>>>>>>> figure out. The oil just
    >>>>>>> disappears.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Also, all four of the
    >>> door
    >>>>>>> handles on my van are broken.
    >>> I
    >>>>>>> just got off the
    >>>>>>>>>>> phone with the dealer to
    >>> see
    >>>>>>> about fixing them because now
    >>> that
    >>>>>>> all four of them
    >>>>>>>>>>> are broken, only one of
    >>> them
    >>>>>>> allows us to even get in the
    >>> van,
    >>>>>>> and then we have to
    >>>>>>>>>>> climb in and open all the
    >>> other
    >>>>>>> doors from the inside. A
    >>> really
    >>>>>>> annoying side
    >>>>>>>>>>> effect when you are hauling
    >>>>>>> around 4 kids all the time. By
    >>> the
    >>>>>>> way, it's about
    >>>>>>>>>>> $300 each to fix them.
    >>> Don't
    >>>>>>> know what I'm going to do yet.
    >>> It's
    >>>>>>> hardly worth
    >>>>>>>>>>> putting $1200 into my 6
    >>> year
    >>>>>>> old van. The one door handle
    >>> we can
    >>>>>>> still open the
    >>>>>>>>>>> van with is literally in
    >>>>>>> pieces. We've just managed to
    >>> keep
    >>>>>>> it together because
    >>>>>>>>>>> it's the driver's door
    >>> handle
    >>>>>>> and I have banned anyone from
    >>>>>>> opening it but me for
    >>>>>>>>>>> fear that it will just fall
    >>>>>>> apart.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> 3. My sending unit went
    >>> out
    >>>>>>> while the van was still under
    >>>>>>> warranty, a very
    >>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem. Even
    >>> though
    >>>>>>> the dealer admitted it was an
    >>>>>>> unusual problem and
    >>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't have happened,
    >>> they
    >>>>>>> wouldn't cover it under the
    >>> warranty.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Various small things
    >>> have
    >>>>>>> broken, like the handle that
    >>> adjusts
    >>>>>>> the back of one
    >>>>>>>>>>> of the back bucket seats,
    >>> has
    >>>>>>> broken. All the cup holders
    >>> are
    >>>>>>> very flimsy and
    >>>>>>>>>>> several of them have
    >>> broken.
    >>>>>>> The plastic back of one of the
    >>> seats
    >>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>> mysteriously fell off. You
    >>>>>>> can't plug certain things into
    >>> the
    >>>>>>> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>>>>>>> they will short and blow
    >>> fuses,
    >>>>>>> and multiple other problems.
    >>> All of
    >>>>>>> these
    >>>>>>>>>>> problems have occured
    >>> before
    >>>>>>> the van hit 100,000 miles. The
    >>> gas
    >>>>>>> mileage is
    >>>>>>>>>>> horrible. I'm lucky to get
    >>> 15
    >>>>>>> miles to the gallon. Not even
    >>> close
    >>>>>>> to their
    >>>>>>>>>>> claims. Also, ever since
    >>> my
    >>>>>>> first flat tire, the out of
    >>> balance
    >>>>>>> light on my dash
    >>>>>>>>>>> has never gone back off.
    >>> I've
    >>>>>>> had new tires twice since then
    >>> and
    >>>>>>> it seems nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>> will keep the darn thing in
    >>>>>>> balance. The dealer basically
    >>> says,
    >>>>>>> oh well, it's
    >>>>>>>>>>> just a light. I wouldn't
    >>> worry
    >>>>>>> about it. Also, the remote key
    >>>>>>> entry never
    >>>>>>>>>>> worked. It hasn't worked
    >>> since
    >>>>>>> I got it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> All I have to say is that I
    >>>>>>> will never buy another Toyota
    >>>>>>> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>>>>>>> that has been supposedly
    >>> one of
    >>>>>>> the most reliable and best
    >>> built
    >>>>>>> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>>>>>>> have been extremely
    >>>>>>> disappointed. I don't feel the
    >>>>>>> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
    >>> dealer. If
    >>>>>>> others have had the problems
    >>> I've
    >>>>>>> had and can get
    >>>>>>>>>>> the dealer to cover some of
    >>>>>>> their expenses, more power to
    >>> them.
    >>>>>>> I feel that I
    >>>>>>>>>>> paid top dollar for a very
    >>> poor
    >>>>>>> performing vehicle and will
    >>> just
    >>>>>>> stick with Honda
    >>>>>>>>>>> from now on. I've owned
    >>> many
    >>>>>>> Hondas over the years and never
    >>> had
    >>>>>>> any of these
    >>>>>>>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie Chapman
    >>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE, NO DOUBT
    >>> THERE
    >>>>>>> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR PROBLEMS
    >>> AND
    >>>>>>> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO BLAME
    >>>>>>> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA WITHOUT
    >>> ANY
    >>>>>>> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO REPEAT
    >>> WHAT I
    >>>>>>> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE,
    >>> I
    >>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING
    >>> THAT
    >>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I
    >>> SEE
    >>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY
    >>> ONE
    >>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU
    >>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    >>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY
    >>> AND DO
    >>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER
    >>> HOW
    >>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT
    >>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO
    >>> IT
    >>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY, A
    >>> CHARLATAN,
    >>>>>>> AND A FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND
    >>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE TIME,
    >>> EVERY
    >>>>>>> TIME.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    >>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH
    >>> YOUR
    >>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO
    >>> SAY
    >>>>>>> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE
    >>> MORE YOU
    >>>>>>> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    >>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE
    >>> BLAKE, I
    >>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING
    >>> THAT
    >>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I
    >>> SEE
    >>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY
    >>> ONE
    >>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU
    >>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO
    >>> GRIND
    >>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY
    >>> AND DO
    >>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER
    >>> HOW
    >>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT
    >>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO
    >>> IT
    >>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A CHARLATAN AND A
    >>>>>>> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE
    >>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR
    >>> EVERY
    >>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH
    >>> YOUR
    >>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
    >>> TO
    >>>>>>> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE
    >>> MORE
    >>>>>>> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER THING, I
    >>> CHOOSE
    >>>>>>> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL CONTINUE
    >>> TO
    >>>>>>> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR CONCERNS
    >>> ABOUT
    >>>>>>> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU AS A
    >>> YELLING
    >>>>>>> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Charlene
    >>> Blake
    >>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie
    >>> Chapman
    >>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A RESPONSE
    >>> BY
    >>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM MORE
    >>> SUSPICIOUS
    >>>>>>> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE STORY. IT
    >>> SOUNDS
    >>>>>>> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you implying that
    >>> the
    >>>>>>> Toyota owners are conning
    >>> Toyota? I
    >>>>>>> see it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now...poor automaker
    >>> backed
    >>>>>>> into a corner by Toyota owner
    >>>>>>> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota Sienna
    >>> vans
    >>>>>>> have a problem with STICKING
    >>> sliding
    >>>>>>> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has not PROPERLY
    >>>>>>> ADDRESSED this matter. Toyota
    >>>>>>> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT issued a
    >>> very
    >>>>>>> important SAFETY RECALL for
    >>> this
    >>>>>>> problem!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota is therefore
    >>> putting
    >>>>>>> the Toyota owners and their
    >>>>>>> families,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly small
    >>> children,
    >>>>>>> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if you want an
    >>> open,
    >>>>>>> public debate about this
    >>> problem, I
    >>>>>>> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblige. You are using
    >>> all
    >>>>>>> capital letters in a "yelling"
    >>>>>>> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary and is
    >>> actually
    >>>>>>> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is does Toyota
    >>>>>>> have a problem with the
    >>> *sticking
    >>>>>>> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. If you can
    >>> disprove
    >>>>>>> the facts that the Toyota
    >>> owners are
    >>>>>>> providing,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then please do so. The
    >>>>>>> dealerships have admitted a
    >>> problem
    >>>>>>> with this for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEARS according to many
    >>>>>>> internet-posting Toyota owners.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. Help the
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>> owners! The manufacturer
    >>> doesn't
    >>>>>>> need your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection, does it?
    >>> OR,
    >>>>>>> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners Unite for
    >>>>>>> Resolution

     
     

 
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