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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna*v*
Posted by Curmudgeon on 9/09/07

    Maybe that explains her frustrations---she couldn't get past that darn windmill on the ath hole.

    On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    > Mudge! We must be kind to the handicapped. Margareet has smelly feet. and can't play golf. What would she do at
    > the ath hole??? So where can i get me some of this paranoia & aka?? I'm refiguring the brews ... ski In the out
    > house in da trailer park.
    >
    >
    > On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >> You just proved my point.
    >>
    >> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair wrote:
    >>> To "Curmudgeon"---aka screen name of the moment:
    >>>
    >>> No paranoia here!! Just disgust at your juvenile tactics.
    >>> Don't flatter yourself ATH HOLE!!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> > Got paranoia?
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair wrote:
    >>>>> To "V", aka "Curmudgeon", aka "Bubba", aka "Trailer Park Escapee":
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I see you have dropped another notch or two on the intellectual scale by posting some self serving
    >>>>> drivel allededly written by myself. (We also know you had very little intellectual capacity to begin
    >>>>> with!!)
    >>>>> Well, all you've done is made yourself look more foolish--and quite frankly, very, very stupid.
    >>>>> I now consider you in a category I would call "Aggressive Toyota Hater", or "ATH" for short.
    >>>>> So, up to now I might have just considered you as a troubled individual with a hangup about Toyota.
    >>>>> But your latest outburst simply confirms that you are hopelessly stupid, and just an ignorant "ATH HOLE"
    >>>>> with a big mouth and an attitude!! (Excuse the lithp!)
    >>>>> So "V", "Curmudgeon", or whoever else you choose to impersonate in the future----obviously you've
    >>>>> escaped from the wrong trailer park.
    >>>>> You should seriously consider moving into a psychiatric clinic for remedial therapy--full time!!
    >>>>> However, it is douptful therapy would do any good!
    >>>>> Have a nice day.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>> I just got in here last week. I don't know what you are talkng about. I could give a rats a$$ about
    >>>>>> toyota. And no -- my only posts come from me. Don't put words in "my" mouth. You sound very
    >>>>> intelligent
    >>>>>> to. Keep up the good work. After grammer school, shot for your GED.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/08/07, Margaret St. Clair wrote: (.) v is the nicest guy i ever met on a chat board! Do like he
    >>>>>> syas, buy American. Let the fruitcakes eat toyotas.
    >>>>>>> To "V"--Whoever You Are:--
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You seem unusually defensive of posts directed against Toyota when anyone questions their veracity.
    >>>>>>> It seems to me that many of these posts are artificial, in that when they appear, you are always
    >>>>>>> present to defend them.
    >>>>>>> That suggests you are involved in their being here in the first place, and may very well be planting
    >>>>>>> some, if not all, of them as a result of your perverse animosity toward Toyota.
    >>>>>>> Most of your comments are quite ignorant and foul mouthed.
    >>>>>>> If then you are as ugly as you are ignorant, you are a real loser.
    >>>>>>> Sadly, you don't seem to realize just how stupid you appear.
    >>>>>>> I suggest you should remain in the trailer park you belong in.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>> No offense gramps looks like you
    >>>>>>>> and your friend randolph are
    >>>>>>>> busted!!!!!! END ..... GAME OVER
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa.B wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Hey Randolph::
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> A word to the wise. That "V"
    >>>>>>>> doofus is one of the goons who keeps
    >>>>>>>> putting phony names in
    >>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake's crapped out
    >>>>>>>> petition.
    >>>>>>>>> Pay no attention to the creep.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Grampa.B
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa B. wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Mr/Ms "V":
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Yes "V", I must agree with you.
    >>>>>>>>>>> The "Made in America"
    >>>>>>>> competition must be pretty desperate
    >>>>>>>> to hire goons to post stupid
    >>>>>>>>>>> remarks like you just did to
    >>>>>>>> defend BSers when they post lies.
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Buy American??"
    >>>>>>>>>>> You've got to be kidding!!
    >>>>>>>>>>> Stuff produced there now is
    >>>>>>>> worse than the Chinese crap they
    >>>>>>>> import because nobody is
    >>>>>>>>>>> willing to pay the inflated
    >>>>>>>> prices for "Made In America" things
    >>>>>>>> any more.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Truth hurts, doesn't it!!
    >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, when it comes to "thugs",
    >>>>>>>> you rate right up there with the
    >>>>>>>> rest of them!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota must be desperate. If
    >>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have to hire thugs to beat down
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> truth from people who've been
    >>>>>>>>>>>> screwed making a purchase of
    >>>>>>>> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>> product. If they can't take the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> heat ... get out of the
    >>>>>>>> kitchen.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Saloution! BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph Scott
    >>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> In spite of your feeble
    >>>>>>>>>>>> protestations to the contrary,
    >>>>>>>> your
    >>>>>>>>>>>> story is still a crock of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless crap.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody can post statements
    >>>>>>>> like
    >>>>>>>>>>>> you just did, make ridiculous
    >>>>>>>> claims
    >>>>>>>>>>>> about "I Have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Receipts", and then expect
    >>>>>>>> others
    >>>>>>>>>>>> to believe them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> That won't make any of such
    >>>>>>>> crap
    >>>>>>>>>>>> more beievable.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some will believe your
    >>>>>>>>>>>> story, but I certainly don't.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're so convinced
    >>>>>>>>>>>> that "receipts" are proof,don't
    >>>>>>>> send
    >>>>>>>>>>>> them to me--- post them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> here!! It's actually easier to
    >>>>>>>> do.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> And make sure they're not just
    >>>>>>>>>>>> phonied up ones!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> I await your so
    >>>>>>>> called "receipts".
    >>>>>>>>>>>> (LOL!!)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise your lies are on
    >>>>>>>> record
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/07/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you like, I can email you
    >>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> copy of my receipt, dated
    >>>>>>>> today, for
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the FOUR door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles that I just purchased
    >>>>>>>>>>>> from the Toyota dealer in my
    >>>>>>>> area.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered them on
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day I originally posted
    >>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>> message and they came in
    >>>>>>>> today. I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> paid $335 for the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> four handles and then will
    >>>>>>>> pay
    >>>>>>>>>>>> another $400 to my mechanic to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> install them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no reason to make up a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> story or facts. I'm just
    >>>>>>>> stating
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the truth about my own
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience and you are very
    >>>>>>>> rude
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and presumptuous to call me a
    >>>>>>>> liar.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no reason to lie
    >>>>>>>> and,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> in fact, since I had researched
    >>>>>>>>>>>> many, many vehicles
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and came to the conclusion
    >>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>> my Toyota would be a good buy,
    >>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>> initial compulsion
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be to defend my
    >>>>>>>> decision.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the vehicle speaks
    >>>>>>>> for
    >>>>>>>>>>>> itself and I have no other
    >>>>>>>> motive
    >>>>>>>>>>>> than to inform other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people of the possible
    >>>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>> they could face if they make
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> same decision I did.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I truly hope that if you are
    >>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owner, that your
    >>>>>>>> experience
    >>>>>>>>>>>> has been better than
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine. If so, good for you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, you have no place
    >>>>>>>>>>>> assuming that mine, or any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other claims, are untrue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can assure you that every
    >>>>>>>>>>>> single thing I said is true and
    >>>>>>>>>>>> 100&37; accurate. This is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first time I have ever
    >>>>>>>> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>> on a website like this and I
    >>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>> not posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else on this site or
    >>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>> other before. This is just an
    >>>>>>>>>>>> honest account of my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> own experience. And, by the
    >>>>>>>> way,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I have never received any
    >>>>>>>>>>>> compensation of any kind
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Toyota for the problems
    >>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have encountered. Although I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that there are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some major design flaws that
    >>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>> caused these problems, I
    >>>>>>>> personally
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefited from any legal
    >>>>>>>>>>>> proceedings that have taken
    >>>>>>>> place.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph Scott
    >>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I am brand new to this
    >>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my personal
    >>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That statement is about as
    >>>>>>>>>>>> credible as a guarantee of a
    >>>>>>>> lottery
    >>>>>>>>>>>> win!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debbie, you are just
    >>>>>>>>>>>> another "Kill Toyota" hack!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your post is just so PHONY!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brand new to this
    >>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my personal
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After opting for a Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a Honda back in
    >>>>>>>> 2003,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sienna, I have had nothing
    >>>>>>>> but
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it. I bought if
    >>>>>>>> from
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "Certified Vehicle".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We have a
    >>>>>>>> mysterious "oil
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problem" that even our longtime
    >>>>>>>>>>>> mechanic can't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out. The oil just
    >>>>>>>>>>>> disappears.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Also, all four of the
    >>>>>>>> door
    >>>>>>>>>>>> handles on my van are broken.
    >>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> just got off the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with the dealer to
    >>>>>>>> see
    >>>>>>>>>>>> about fixing them because now
    >>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>> all four of them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are broken, only one of
    >>>>>>>> them
    >>>>>>>>>>>> allows us to even get in the
    >>>>>>>> van,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and then we have to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb in and open all the
    >>>>>>>> other
    >>>>>>>>>>>> doors from the inside. A
    >>>>>>>> really
    >>>>>>>>>>>> annoying side
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect when you are hauling
    >>>>>>>>>>>> around 4 kids all the time. By
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> way, it's about
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 each to fix them.
    >>>>>>>> Don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>> know what I'm going to do yet.
    >>>>>>>> It's
    >>>>>>>>>>>> hardly worth
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting $1200 into my 6
    >>>>>>>> year
    >>>>>>>>>>>> old van. The one door handle
    >>>>>>>> we can
    >>>>>>>>>>>> still open the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> van with is literally in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> pieces. We've just managed to
    >>>>>>>> keep
    >>>>>>>>>>>> it together because
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the driver's door
    >>>>>>>> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and I have banned anyone from
    >>>>>>>>>>>> opening it but me for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear that it will just fall
    >>>>>>>>>>>> apart.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. My sending unit went
    >>>>>>>> out
    >>>>>>>>>>>> while the van was still under
    >>>>>>>>>>>> warranty, a very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem. Even
    >>>>>>>> though
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer admitted it was an
    >>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't have happened,
    >>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't cover it under the
    >>>>>>>> warranty.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Various small things
    >>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>> broken, like the handle that
    >>>>>>>> adjusts
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the back of one
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back bucket seats,
    >>>>>>>> has
    >>>>>>>>>>>> broken. All the cup holders
    >>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>> very flimsy and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them have
    >>>>>>>> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> The plastic back of one of the
    >>>>>>>> seats
    >>>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteriously fell off. You
    >>>>>>>>>>>> can't plug certain things into
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will short and blow
    >>>>>>>> fuses,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and multiple other problems.
    >>>>>>>> All of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems have occured
    >>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the van hit 100,000 miles. The
    >>>>>>>> gas
    >>>>>>>>>>>> mileage is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible. I'm lucky to get
    >>>>>>>> 15
    >>>>>>>>>>>> miles to the gallon. Not even
    >>>>>>>> close
    >>>>>>>>>>>> to their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims. Also, ever since
    >>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>> first flat tire, the out of
    >>>>>>>> balance
    >>>>>>>>>>>> light on my dash
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has never gone back off.
    >>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>> had new tires twice since then
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>>>> it seems nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will keep the darn thing in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> balance. The dealer basically
    >>>>>>>> says,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> oh well, it's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a light. I wouldn't
    >>>>>>>> worry
    >>>>>>>>>>>> about it. Also, the remote key
    >>>>>>>>>>>> entry never
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked. It hasn't worked
    >>>>>>>> since
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I got it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I have to say is that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> will never buy another Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been supposedly
    >>>>>>>> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the most reliable and best
    >>>>>>>> built
    >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been extremely
    >>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed. I don't feel the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
    >>>>>>>> dealer. If
    >>>>>>>>>>>> others have had the problems
    >>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>> had and can get
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer to cover some of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> their expenses, more power to
    >>>>>>>> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I feel that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid top dollar for a very
    >>>>>>>> poor
    >>>>>>>>>>>> performing vehicle and will
    >>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>> stick with Honda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from now on. I've owned
    >>>>>>>> many
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Hondas over the years and never
    >>>>>>>> had
    >>>>>>>>>>>> any of these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE, NO DOUBT
    >>>>>>>> THERE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR PROBLEMS
    >>>>>>>> AND
    >>>>>>>>>>>> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO BLAME
    >>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA WITHOUT
    >>>>>>>> ANY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO REPEAT
    >>>>>>>> WHAT I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE BLAKE,
    >>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU
    >>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER
    >>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY, A
    >>>>>>>> CHARLATAN,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND A FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND
    >>>>>>>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE TIME,
    >>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TIME.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH
    >>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO
    >>>>>>>> SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE
    >>>>>>>> MORE YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>> BLAKE, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS YOU
    >>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX TO
    >>>>>>>> GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO MATTER
    >>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A CHARLATAN AND A
    >>>>>>>>>>>> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND YOU USE
    >>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA FOR
    >>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED WITH
    >>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS, AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
    >>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND THE
    >>>>>>>> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER THING, I
    >>>>>>>> CHOOSE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL CONTINUE
    >>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR CONCERNS
    >>>>>>>> ABOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU AS A
    >>>>>>>> YELLING
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Charlene
    >>>>>>>> Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie
    >>>>>>>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A RESPONSE
    >>>>>>>> BY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM MORE
    >>>>>>>> SUSPICIOUS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE STORY. IT
    >>>>>>>> SOUNDS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you implying that
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners are conning
    >>>>>>>> Toyota? I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> see it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now...poor automaker
    >>>>>>>> backed
    >>>>>>>>>>>> into a corner by Toyota owner
    >>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota Sienna
    >>>>>>>> vans
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with STICKING
    >>>>>>>> sliding
    >>>>>>>>>>>> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has not PROPERLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ADDRESSED this matter. Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT issued a
    >>>>>>>> very
    >>>>>>>>>>>> important SAFETY RECALL for
    >>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problem!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota is therefore
    >>>>>>>> putting
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the Toyota owners and their
    >>>>>>>>>>>> families,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly small
    >>>>>>>> children,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if you want an
    >>>>>>>> open,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> public debate about this
    >>>>>>>> problem, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblige. You are using
    >>>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>>>>>>> capital letters in a "yelling"
    >>>>>>>>>>>> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary and is
    >>>>>>>> actually
    >>>>>>>>>>>> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is does Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with the
    >>>>>>>> *sticking
    >>>>>>>>>>>> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. If you can
    >>>>>>>> disprove
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the facts that the Toyota
    >>>>>>>> owners are
    >>>>>>>>>>>> providing,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then please do so. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>> dealerships have admitted a
    >>>>>>>> problem
    >>>>>>>>>>>> with this for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEARS according to many
    >>>>>>>>>>>> internet-posting Toyota owners.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. Help the
    >>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> owners! The manufacturer
    >>>>>>>> doesn't
    >>>>>>>>>>>> need your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection, does it?
    >>>>>>>> OR,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners Unite for
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution

     
     

 
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