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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna*v*
Posted by Randolph Scott on 9/10/07

    Hey Curmudgeon/V:

    While you're playing your childish oneupmanship games, I'm are still waiting for all that evidence your alter ego
    Debbie insists is available to prove innocence of writing fake stories here!
    So put up or shut up---show us those receipts!
    Oh, and BTW, the way you act is a great example of why us Americans are despised by the rest of the world!
    Keep up the good work! You're doing us all a favor (not!!)

    RS


    On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    > LMAO!!!!
    >
    >
    > On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >> Maybe that explains her
    > frustrations---she couldn't get past
    > that darn windmill on the ath hole.
    >>
    >> On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    >>> Mudge! We must be kind to the
    > handicapped. Margareet has smelly
    > feet. and can't play golf. What would
    > she do at
    >>> the ath hole??? So where can i get
    > me some of this paranoia & aka?? I'm
    > refiguring the brews ... ski In the
    > out
    >>> house in da trailer park.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>> You just proved my point.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    > wrote:
    >>>>> To "Curmudgeon"---aka screen
    > name of the moment:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> No paranoia here!! Just disgust
    > at your juvenile tactics.
    >>>>> Don't flatter yourself ATH
    > HOLE!!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> > Got paranoia?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>> To "V", aka "Curmudgeon",
    > aka "Bubba", aka "Trailer Park
    > Escapee":
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I see you have dropped another
    > notch or two on the intellectual
    > scale by posting some self serving
    >>>>>>> drivel allededly written by
    > myself. (We also know you had very
    > little intellectual capacity to begin
    >>>>>>> with!!)
    >>>>>>> Well, all you've done is made
    > yourself look more foolish--and quite
    > frankly, very, very stupid.
    >>>>>>> I now consider you in a
    > category I would call "Aggressive
    > Toyota Hater", or "ATH" for short.
    >>>>>>> So, up to now I might have
    > just considered you as a troubled
    > individual with a hangup about Toyota.
    >>>>>>> But your latest outburst
    > simply confirms that you are
    > hopelessly stupid, and just an
    > ignorant "ATH HOLE"
    >>>>>>> with a big mouth and an
    > attitude!! (Excuse the lithp!)
    >>>>>>> So "V", "Curmudgeon", or
    > whoever else you choose to
    > impersonate in the future----
    > obviously you've
    >>>>>>> escaped from the wrong trailer
    > park.
    >>>>>>> You should seriously consider
    > moving into a psychiatric clinic for
    > remedial therapy--full time!!
    >>>>>>> However, it is douptful
    > therapy would do any good!
    >>>>>>> Have a nice day.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>> I just got in here last week.
    > I don't know what you are talkng
    > about. I could give a rats a$$ about
    >>>>>>>> toyota. And no -- my only
    > posts come from me. Don't put words
    > in "my" mouth. You sound very
    >>>>>>> intelligent
    >>>>>>>> to. Keep up the good work.
    > After grammer school, shot for your
    > GED.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Margaret St.
    > Clair wrote: (.) v is the nicest guy
    > i ever met on a chat board! Do like
    > he
    >>>>>>>> syas, buy American. Let the
    > fruitcakes eat toyotas.
    >>>>>>>>> To "V"--Whoever You Are:--
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You seem unusually defensive
    > of posts directed against Toyota when
    > anyone questions their veracity.
    >>>>>>>>> It seems to me that many of
    > these posts are artificial, in that
    > when they appear, you are always
    >>>>>>>>> present to defend them.
    >>>>>>>>> That suggests you are
    > involved in their being here in the
    > first place, and may very well be
    > planting
    >>>>>>>>> some, if not all, of them as
    > a result of your perverse animosity
    > toward Toyota.
    >>>>>>>>> Most of your comments are
    > quite ignorant and foul mouthed.
    >>>>>>>>> If then you are as ugly as
    > you are ignorant, you are a real
    > loser.
    >>>>>>>>> Sadly, you don't seem to
    > realize just how stupid you appear.
    >>>>>>>>> I suggest you should remain
    > in the trailer park you belong in.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> No offense gramps looks
    > like you
    >>>>>>>>>> and your friend randolph
    > are
    >>>>>>>>>> busted!!!!!! END ..... GAME
    > OVER
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa.B wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Randolph::
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> A word to the wise.
    > That "V"
    >>>>>>>>>> doofus is one of the goons
    > who keeps
    >>>>>>>>>> putting phony names in
    >>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake's crapped
    > out
    >>>>>>>>>> petition.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Pay no attention to the
    > creep.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Grampa.B
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa B.
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    > Scott wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr/Ms "V":
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes "V", I must agree
    > with you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Made in America"
    >>>>>>>>>> competition must be pretty
    > desperate
    >>>>>>>>>> to hire goons to post
    > stupid
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> remarks like you just
    > did to
    >>>>>>>>>> defend BSers when they post
    > lies.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Buy American??"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got to be
    > kidding!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff produced there now
    > is
    >>>>>>>>>> worse than the Chinese crap
    > they
    >>>>>>>>>> import because nobody is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to pay the
    > inflated
    >>>>>>>>>> prices for "Made In
    > America" things
    >>>>>>>>>> any more.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Truth hurts, doesn't it!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, when it comes
    > to "thugs",
    >>>>>>>>>> you rate right up there
    > with the
    >>>>>>>>>> rest of them!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota must be
    > desperate. If
    >>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to hire thugs to
    > beat down
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth from people
    > who've been
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed making a
    > purchase of
    >>>>>>>>>> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. If they can't
    > take the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heat ... get out of the
    >>>>>>>>>> kitchen.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saloution! BUY
    > AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    > Scott
    >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In spite of your
    > feeble
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestations to the
    > contrary,
    >>>>>>>>>> your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> story is still a crock
    > of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless crap.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody can post
    > statements
    >>>>>>>>>> like
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just did, make
    > ridiculous
    >>>>>>>>>> claims
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "I Have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receipts", and then
    > expect
    >>>>>>>>>> others
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That won't make any of
    > such
    >>>>>>>>>> crap
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more beievable.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some will
    > believe your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> story, but I certainly
    > don't.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're so convinced
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that "receipts" are
    > proof,don't
    >>>>>>>>>> send
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to me--- post them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here!! It's actually
    > easier to
    >>>>>>>>>> do.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And make sure they're
    > not just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phonied up ones!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I await your so
    >>>>>>>>>> called "receipts".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (LOL!!)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise your lies
    > are on
    >>>>>>>>>> record
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/07/07, Debbie
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you like, I can
    > email you
    >>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of my receipt,
    > dated
    >>>>>>>>>> today, for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FOUR door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles that I just
    > purchased
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Toyota dealer
    > in my
    >>>>>>>>>> area.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered them on
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day I originally
    > posted
    >>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message and they came
    > in
    >>>>>>>>>> today. I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid $335 for the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four handles and then
    > will
    >>>>>>>>>> pay
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another $400 to my
    > mechanic to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> install them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no reason to
    > make up a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> story or facts. I'm
    > just
    >>>>>>>>>> stating
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth about my own
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience and you
    > are very
    >>>>>>>>>> rude
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and presumptuous to
    > call me a
    >>>>>>>>>> liar.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no reason
    > to lie
    >>>>>>>>>> and,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact, since I had
    > researched
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, many vehicles
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and came to the
    > conclusion
    >>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Toyota would be a
    > good buy,
    >>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial compulsion
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be to defend my
    >>>>>>>>>> decision.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the vehicle
    > speaks
    >>>>>>>>>> for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself and I have no
    > other
    >>>>>>>>>> motive
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than to inform other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people of the
    > possible
    >>>>>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they could face if they
    > make
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same decision I did.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I truly hope that if
    > you are
    >>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owner, that your
    >>>>>>>>>> experience
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been better than
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine. If so, good
    > for you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, you have no
    > place
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming that mine, or
    > any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other claims, are
    > untrue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can assure you that
    > every
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> single thing I said is
    > true and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100&37; accurate. This
    > is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first time I have
    > ever
    >>>>>>>>>> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a website like this
    > and I
    >>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else on this
    > site or
    >>>>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other before. This is
    > just an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> honest account of my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own experience. And,
    > by the
    >>>>>>>>>> way,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never received
    > any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation of any
    > kind
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Toyota for the
    > problems
    >>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have encountered.
    > Although I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that there are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some major design
    > flaws that
    >>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused these problems,
    > I
    >>>>>>>>>> personally
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefited from any
    > legal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceedings that have
    > taken
    >>>>>>>>>> place.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph
    > Scott
    >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I am brand new to
    > this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    > thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    > personal
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That statement is
    > about as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> credible as a guarantee
    > of a
    >>>>>>>>>> lottery
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> win!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debbie, you are just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another "Kill Toyota"
    > hack!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your post is just so
    > PHONY!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brand new to
    > this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    > thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    > personal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After opting for a
    > Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a Honda back
    > in
    >>>>>>>>>> 2003,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sienna, I have had
    > nothing
    >>>>>>>>>> but
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it. I
    > bought if
    >>>>>>>>>> from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "Certified
    > Vehicle".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We have a
    >>>>>>>>>> mysterious "oil
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem" that even our
    > longtime
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanic can't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out. The oil
    > just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappears.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Also, all four
    > of the
    >>>>>>>>>> door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles on my van are
    > broken.
    >>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just got off the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with the
    > dealer to
    >>>>>>>>>> see
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about fixing them
    > because now
    >>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all four of them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are broken, only
    > one of
    >>>>>>>>>> them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows us to even get
    > in the
    >>>>>>>>>> van,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then we have to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb in and open
    > all the
    >>>>>>>>>> other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doors from the inside.
    > A
    >>>>>>>>>> really
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying side
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect when you are
    > hauling
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 4 kids all the
    > time. By
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way, it's about
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 each to fix
    > them.
    >>>>>>>>>> Don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I'm going to
    > do yet.
    >>>>>>>>>> It's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardly worth
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting $1200 into
    > my 6
    >>>>>>>>>> year
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old van. The one door
    > handle
    >>>>>>>>>> we can
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still open the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> van with is
    > literally in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces. We've just
    > managed to
    >>>>>>>>>> keep
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it together because
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the driver's
    > door
    >>>>>>>>>> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have banned
    > anyone from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening it but me for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear that it will
    > just fall
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. My sending unit
    > went
    >>>>>>>>>> out
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> while the van was still
    > under
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty, a very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem.
    > Even
    >>>>>>>>>> though
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer admitted it
    > was an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't have
    > happened,
    >>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't cover it under
    > the
    >>>>>>>>>> warranty.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Various small
    > things
    >>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken, like the handle
    > that
    >>>>>>>>>> adjusts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back of one
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back bucket
    > seats,
    >>>>>>>>>> has
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. All the cup
    > holders
    >>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very flimsy and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them
    > have
    >>>>>>>>>> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plastic back of one
    > of the
    >>>>>>>>>> seats
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteriously fell
    > off. You
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't plug certain
    > things into
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will short and
    > blow
    >>>>>>>>>> fuses,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiple other
    > problems.
    >>>>>>>>>> All of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems have
    > occured
    >>>>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the van hit 100,000
    > miles. The
    >>>>>>>>>> gas
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mileage is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible. I'm
    > lucky to get
    >>>>>>>>>> 15
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> miles to the gallon.
    > Not even
    >>>>>>>>>> close
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims. Also, ever
    > since
    >>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first flat tire, the
    > out of
    >>>>>>>>>> balance
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> light on my dash
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has never gone back
    > off.
    >>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had new tires twice
    > since then
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seems nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will keep the darn
    > thing in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance. The dealer
    > basically
    >>>>>>>>>> says,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh well, it's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a light. I
    > wouldn't
    >>>>>>>>>> worry
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it. Also, the
    > remote key
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entry never
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked. It hasn't
    > worked
    >>>>>>>>>> since
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I have to say
    > is that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will never buy another
    > Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been
    > supposedly
    >>>>>>>>>> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most reliable and
    > best
    >>>>>>>>>> built
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been extremely
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed. I don't
    > feel the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about the
    >>>>>>>>>> dealer. If
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others have had the
    > problems
    >>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had and can get
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer to cover
    > some of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their expenses, more
    > power to
    >>>>>>>>>> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid top dollar for
    > a very
    >>>>>>>>>> poor
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> performing vehicle and
    > will
    >>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick with Honda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from now on. I've
    > owned
    >>>>>>>>>> many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hondas over the years
    > and never
    >>>>>>>>>> had
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie
    > Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE, NO
    > DOUBT
    >>>>>>>>>> THERE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR
    > PROBLEMS
    >>>>>>>>>> AND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO
    > BLAME
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA
    > WITHOUT
    >>>>>>>>>> ANY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO
    > REPEAT
    >>>>>>>>>> WHAT I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE
    > IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    > CHARLENE BLAKE,
    >>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    > ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    > IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    > TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    > THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    > THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    > YOU
    >>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX
    > TO GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    > WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    > MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    > DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    > STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    > RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY, A
    >>>>>>>>>> CHARLATAN,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND A FAKER AS I SEE
    > IT, AND
    >>>>>>>>>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE
    > TIME,
    >>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIME.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    > FOR EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    > WITH
    >>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    > AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    > POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING YOU
    > HAVE TO
    >>>>>>>>>> SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME, AND
    > THE
    >>>>>>>>>> MORE YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07, Connie
    > Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    > CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>> BLAKE, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    > ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    > IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    > TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    > THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    > THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    > YOU
    >>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX
    > TO
    >>>>>>>>>> GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    > WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    > MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    > DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    > STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    > RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A
    > CHARLATAN AND A
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND
    > YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    > FOR
    >>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    > WITH
    >>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    > AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    > POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING
    > YOU HAVE
    >>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO ME,
    > AND THE
    >>>>>>>>>> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER
    > THING, I
    >>>>>>>>>> CHOOSE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL
    > CONTINUE
    >>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR
    > CONCERNS
    >>>>>>>>>> ABOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU
    > AS A
    >>>>>>>>>> YELLING
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    > Charlene
    >>>>>>>>>> Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    > Connie
    >>>>>>>>>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A
    > RESPONSE
    >>>>>>>>>> BY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM
    > MORE
    >>>>>>>>>> SUSPICIOUS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE
    > STORY. IT
    >>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you implying
    > that
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners are
    > conning
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota? I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now...poor
    > automaker
    >>>>>>>>>> backed
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a corner by Toyota
    > owner
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota
    > Sienna
    >>>>>>>>>> vans
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with
    > STICKING
    >>>>>>>>>> sliding
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has not
    > PROPERLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADDRESSED this matter.
    > Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT
    > issued a
    >>>>>>>>>> very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> important SAFETY RECALL
    > for
    >>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota is
    > therefore
    >>>>>>>>>> putting
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Toyota owners and
    > their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> families,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
    > small
    >>>>>>>>>> children,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if you want
    > an
    >>>>>>>>>> open,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public debate about
    > this
    >>>>>>>>>> problem, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblige. You are
    > using
    >>>>>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital letters in
    > a "yelling"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary and is
    >>>>>>>>>> actually
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is
    > does Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with the
    >>>>>>>>>> *sticking
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. If you can
    >>>>>>>>>> disprove
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the facts that the
    > Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>> owners are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then please do
    > so. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dealerships have
    > admitted a
    >>>>>>>>>> problem
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with this for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEARS according
    > to many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet-posting Toyota
    > owners.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. Help
    > the
    >>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> owners! The
    > manufacturer
    >>>>>>>>>> doesn't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection, does
    > it?
    >>>>>>>>>> OR,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners
    > Unite for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution

     
     

 
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