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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna*v*
Posted by v on 9/10/07

    On 9/10/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    > Hey Curmudgeon/V:
    >
    > While you're playing your childish
    oneupmanship games, I'm are still
    waiting for all that evidence your
    alter ego
    > Debbie insists is available to prove
    innocence of writing fake stories here!
    > So put up or shut up---show us those
    receipts!
    > Oh, and BTW, the way you act is a
    great example of why us Americans are
    despised by the rest of the world!
    > Keep up the good work! You're doing
    us all a favor (not!!)

    That makes me happy! Tell the rest of
    the world ... Go to h$ll ... & kiss my
    arse on the way down.


    >
    > RS
    >
    >
    > On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    >> LMAO!!!!
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>> Maybe that explains her
    >> frustrations---she couldn't get
    past
    >> that darn windmill on the ath hole.
    >>>
    >>> On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    >>>> Mudge! We must be kind to the
    >> handicapped. Margareet has smelly
    >> feet. and can't play golf. What
    would
    >> she do at
    >>>> the ath hole??? So where can i
    get
    >> me some of this paranoia & aka??
    I'm
    >> refiguring the brews ... ski In the
    >> out
    >>>> house in da trailer park.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>>> You just proved my point.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>> To "Curmudgeon"---aka screen
    >> name of the moment:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> No paranoia here!! Just disgust
    >> at your juvenile tactics.
    >>>>>> Don't flatter yourself ATH
    >> HOLE!!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> > Got paranoia?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> To "V", aka "Curmudgeon",
    >> aka "Bubba", aka "Trailer Park
    >> Escapee":
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I see you have dropped
    another
    >> notch or two on the intellectual
    >> scale by posting some self serving
    >>>>>>>> drivel allededly written by
    >> myself. (We also know you had very
    >> little intellectual capacity to
    begin
    >>>>>>>> with!!)
    >>>>>>>> Well, all you've done is made
    >> yourself look more foolish--and
    quite
    >> frankly, very, very stupid.
    >>>>>>>> I now consider you in a
    >> category I would call "Aggressive
    >> Toyota Hater", or "ATH" for short.
    >>>>>>>> So, up to now I might have
    >> just considered you as a troubled
    >> individual with a hangup about
    Toyota.
    >>>>>>>> But your latest outburst
    >> simply confirms that you are
    >> hopelessly stupid, and just an
    >> ignorant "ATH HOLE"
    >>>>>>>> with a big mouth and an
    >> attitude!! (Excuse the lithp!)
    >>>>>>>> So "V", "Curmudgeon", or
    >> whoever else you choose to
    >> impersonate in the future----
    >> obviously you've
    >>>>>>>> escaped from the wrong
    trailer
    >> park.
    >>>>>>>> You should seriously consider
    >> moving into a psychiatric clinic
    for
    >> remedial therapy--full time!!
    >>>>>>>> However, it is douptful
    >> therapy would do any good!
    >>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> I just got in here last
    week.
    >> I don't know what you are talkng
    >> about. I could give a rats a$$
    about
    >>>>>>>>> toyota. And no -- my only
    >> posts come from me. Don't put words
    >> in "my" mouth. You sound very
    >>>>>>>> intelligent
    >>>>>>>>> to. Keep up the good work.
    >> After grammer school, shot for your
    >> GED.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Margaret St.
    >> Clair wrote: (.) v is the nicest
    guy
    >> i ever met on a chat board! Do like
    >> he
    >>>>>>>>> syas, buy American. Let the
    >> fruitcakes eat toyotas.
    >>>>>>>>>> To "V"--Whoever You Are:--
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You seem unusually
    defensive
    >> of posts directed against Toyota
    when
    >> anyone questions their veracity.
    >>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that many of
    >> these posts are artificial, in that
    >> when they appear, you are always
    >>>>>>>>>> present to defend them.
    >>>>>>>>>> That suggests you are
    >> involved in their being here in the
    >> first place, and may very well be
    >> planting
    >>>>>>>>>> some, if not all, of them
    as
    >> a result of your perverse animosity
    >> toward Toyota.
    >>>>>>>>>> Most of your comments are
    >> quite ignorant and foul mouthed.
    >>>>>>>>>> If then you are as ugly as
    >> you are ignorant, you are a real
    >> loser.
    >>>>>>>>>> Sadly, you don't seem to
    >> realize just how stupid you appear.
    >>>>>>>>>> I suggest you should remain
    >> in the trailer park you belong in.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> No offense gramps looks
    >> like you
    >>>>>>>>>>> and your friend randolph
    >> are
    >>>>>>>>>>> busted!!!!!! END .....
    GAME
    >> OVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa.B
    wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Randolph::
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> A word to the wise.
    >> That "V"
    >>>>>>>>>>> doofus is one of the goons
    >> who keeps
    >>>>>>>>>>> putting phony names in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake's crapped
    >> out
    >>>>>>>>>>> petition.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Pay no attention to the
    >> creep.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Grampa.B
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa B.
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    >> Scott wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr/Ms "V":
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes "V", I must agree
    >> with you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Made in America"
    >>>>>>>>>>> competition must be pretty
    >> desperate
    >>>>>>>>>>> to hire goons to post
    >> stupid
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remarks like you just
    >> did to
    >>>>>>>>>>> defend BSers when they
    post
    >> lies.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Buy American??"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got to be
    >> kidding!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff produced there
    now
    >> is
    >>>>>>>>>>> worse than the Chinese
    crap
    >> they
    >>>>>>>>>>> import because nobody is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to pay the
    >> inflated
    >>>>>>>>>>> prices for "Made In
    >> America" things
    >>>>>>>>>>> any more.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truth hurts, doesn't
    it!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, when it comes
    >> to "thugs",
    >>>>>>>>>>> you rate right up there
    >> with the
    >>>>>>>>>>> rest of them!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota must be
    >> desperate. If
    >>>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to hire thugs to
    >> beat down
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth from people
    >> who've been
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed making a
    >> purchase of
    >>>>>>>>>>> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. If they can't
    >> take the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heat ... get out of
    the
    >>>>>>>>>>> kitchen.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saloution! BUY
    >> AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    >> Scott
    >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In spite of your
    >> feeble
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestations to the
    >> contrary,
    >>>>>>>>>>> your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story is still a crock
    >> of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless crap.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody can post
    >> statements
    >>>>>>>>>>> like
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just did, make
    >> ridiculous
    >>>>>>>>>>> claims
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "I Have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receipts", and then
    >> expect
    >>>>>>>>>>> others
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That won't make any
    of
    >> such
    >>>>>>>>>>> crap
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more beievable.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some will
    >> believe your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story, but I certainly
    >> don't.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're so
    convinced
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that "receipts" are
    >> proof,don't
    >>>>>>>>>>> send
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to me--- post
    them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here!! It's actually
    >> easier to
    >>>>>>>>>>> do.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And make sure they're
    >> not just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phonied up ones!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I await your so
    >>>>>>>>>>> called "receipts".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (LOL!!)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise your lies
    >> are on
    >>>>>>>>>>> record
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/07/07, Debbie
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you like, I can
    >> email you
    >>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of my receipt,
    >> dated
    >>>>>>>>>>> today, for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FOUR door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles that I just
    >> purchased
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Toyota dealer
    >> in my
    >>>>>>>>>>> area.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered them on
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day I originally
    >> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message and they came
    >> in
    >>>>>>>>>>> today. I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid $335 for the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four handles and
    then
    >> will
    >>>>>>>>>>> pay
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another $400 to my
    >> mechanic to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no reason to
    >> make up a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story or facts. I'm
    >> just
    >>>>>>>>>>> stating
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth about my own
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience and you
    >> are very
    >>>>>>>>>>> rude
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and presumptuous to
    >> call me a
    >>>>>>>>>>> liar.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no reason
    >> to lie
    >>>>>>>>>>> and,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact, since I had
    >> researched
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, many vehicles
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and came to the
    >> conclusion
    >>>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Toyota would be a
    >> good buy,
    >>>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial compulsion
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be to defend
    my
    >>>>>>>>>>> decision.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the vehicle
    >> speaks
    >>>>>>>>>>> for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself and I have no
    >> other
    >>>>>>>>>>> motive
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than to inform other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people of the
    >> possible
    >>>>>>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they could face if
    they
    >> make
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same decision I did.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I truly hope that if
    >> you are
    >>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owner, that
    your
    >>>>>>>>>>> experience
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been better than
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine. If so, good
    >> for you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, you have
    no
    >> place
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming that mine, or
    >> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other claims, are
    >> untrue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can assure you
    that
    >> every
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single thing I said is
    >> true and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100&37; accurate.
    This
    >> is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first time I
    have
    >> ever
    >>>>>>>>>>> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a website like this
    >> and I
    >>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else on
    this
    >> site or
    >>>>>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other before. This is
    >> just an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honest account of my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own experience.
    And,
    >> by the
    >>>>>>>>>>> way,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never received
    >> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation of any
    >> kind
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Toyota for the
    >> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have encountered.
    >> Although I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that there are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some major design
    >> flaws that
    >>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused these problems,
    >> I
    >>>>>>>>>>> personally
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefited from any
    >> legal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceedings that have
    >> taken
    >>>>>>>>>>> place.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph
    >> Scott
    >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I am brand new to
    >> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    >> thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an
    objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    >> personal
    >>>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That statement is
    >> about as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credible as a
    guarantee
    >> of a
    >>>>>>>>>>> lottery
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debbie, you are
    just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another "Kill Toyota"
    >> hack!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your post is just
    so
    >> PHONY!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie
    >> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brand new to
    >> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    >> thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an
    objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    >> personal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After opting for a
    >> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a Honda
    back
    >> in
    >>>>>>>>>>> 2003,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sienna, I have had
    >> nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>> but
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it. I
    >> bought if
    >>>>>>>>>>> from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "Certified
    >> Vehicle".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We have a
    >>>>>>>>>>> mysterious "oil
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem" that even our
    >> longtime
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanic can't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out. The
    oil
    >> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappears.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Also, all four
    >> of the
    >>>>>>>>>>> door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles on my van are
    >> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just got off the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with the
    >> dealer to
    >>>>>>>>>>> see
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about fixing them
    >> because now
    >>>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all four of them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are broken, only
    >> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>> them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows us to even get
    >> in the
    >>>>>>>>>>> van,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then we have to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb in and open
    >> all the
    >>>>>>>>>>> other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doors from the
    inside.
    >> A
    >>>>>>>>>>> really
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying side
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect when you
    are
    >> hauling
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 4 kids all the
    >> time. By
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way, it's about
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 each to fix
    >> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I'm going to
    >> do yet.
    >>>>>>>>>>> It's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardly worth
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting $1200 into
    >> my 6
    >>>>>>>>>>> year
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old van. The one door
    >> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>> we can
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still open the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> van with is
    >> literally in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces. We've just
    >> managed to
    >>>>>>>>>>> keep
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it together because
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the driver's
    >> door
    >>>>>>>>>>> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have banned
    >> anyone from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening it but me for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear that it will
    >> just fall
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. My sending
    unit
    >> went
    >>>>>>>>>>> out
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while the van was
    still
    >> under
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty, a very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem.
    >> Even
    >>>>>>>>>>> though
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer admitted it
    >> was an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't have
    >> happened,
    >>>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't cover it
    under
    >> the
    >>>>>>>>>>> warranty.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Various small
    >> things
    >>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken, like the
    handle
    >> that
    >>>>>>>>>>> adjusts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back of one
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back bucket
    >> seats,
    >>>>>>>>>>> has
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. All the cup
    >> holders
    >>>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very flimsy and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them
    >> have
    >>>>>>>>>>> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plastic back of
    one
    >> of the
    >>>>>>>>>>> seats
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteriously fell
    >> off. You
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't plug certain
    >> things into
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will short
    and
    >> blow
    >>>>>>>>>>> fuses,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiple other
    >> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>> All of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems have
    >> occured
    >>>>>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the van hit 100,000
    >> miles. The
    >>>>>>>>>>> gas
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mileage is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible. I'm
    >> lucky to get
    >>>>>>>>>>> 15
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miles to the gallon.
    >> Not even
    >>>>>>>>>>> close
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims. Also,
    ever
    >> since
    >>>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first flat tire, the
    >> out of
    >>>>>>>>>>> balance
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light on my dash
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has never gone
    back
    >> off.
    >>>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had new tires twice
    >> since then
    >>>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seems nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will keep the darn
    >> thing in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance. The dealer
    >> basically
    >>>>>>>>>>> says,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh well, it's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a light. I
    >> wouldn't
    >>>>>>>>>>> worry
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it. Also, the
    >> remote key
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entry never
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked. It hasn't
    >> worked
    >>>>>>>>>>> since
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I have to say
    >> is that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will never buy another
    >> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been
    >> supposedly
    >>>>>>>>>>> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most reliable and
    >> best
    >>>>>>>>>>> built
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been
    extremely
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed. I don't
    >> feel the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about
    the
    >>>>>>>>>>> dealer. If
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others have had the
    >> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had and can get
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer to
    cover
    >> some of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their expenses, more
    >> power to
    >>>>>>>>>>> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid top dollar
    for
    >> a very
    >>>>>>>>>>> poor
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performing vehicle and
    >> will
    >>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick with Honda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from now on. I've
    >> owned
    >>>>>>>>>>> many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hondas over the years
    >> and never
    >>>>>>>>>>> had
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie
    >> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE,
    NO
    >> DOUBT
    >>>>>>>>>>> THERE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR
    >> PROBLEMS
    >>>>>>>>>>> AND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO
    >> BLAME
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA
    >> WITHOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>> ANY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO
    >> REPEAT
    >>>>>>>>>>> WHAT I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE
    >> IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    >> CHARLENE BLAKE,
    >>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    >> ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    >> IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    >> TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    >> THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    >> THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    >> YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX
    >> TO GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    >> WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    >> MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    >> DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    >> STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    >> RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY,
    A
    >>>>>>>>>>> CHARLATAN,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND A FAKER AS I SEE
    >> IT, AND
    >>>>>>>>>>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE
    >> TIME,
    >>>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIME.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    >> FOR EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    >> WITH
    >>>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    >> AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    >> POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING
    YOU
    >> HAVE TO
    >>>>>>>>>>> SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME,
    AND
    >> THE
    >>>>>>>>>>> MORE YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    Connie
    >> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    >> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    >> ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    >> IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    >> TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    >> THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    >> THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    >> YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG
    AX
    >> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>> GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    >> WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    >> MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    >> DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    >> STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    >> RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A
    >> CHARLATAN AND A
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND
    >> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    >> FOR
    >>>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    >> WITH
    >>>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    >> AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    >> POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING
    >> YOU HAVE
    >>>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO
    ME,
    >> AND THE
    >>>>>>>>>>> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER
    >> THING, I
    >>>>>>>>>>> CHOOSE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL
    >> CONTINUE
    >>>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR
    >> CONCERNS
    >>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU
    >> AS A
    >>>>>>>>>>> YELLING
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH
    IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    >> Charlene
    >>>>>>>>>>> Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    >> Connie
    >>>>>>>>>>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A
    >> RESPONSE
    >>>>>>>>>>> BY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM
    >> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>> SUSPICIOUS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE
    >> STORY. IT
    >>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you
    implying
    >> that
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners are
    >> conning
    >>>>>>>>>>> Toyota? I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now...poor
    >> automaker
    >>>>>>>>>>> backed
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a corner by
    Toyota
    >> owner
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota
    >> Sienna
    >>>>>>>>>>> vans
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with
    >> STICKING
    >>>>>>>>>>> sliding
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has not
    >> PROPERLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADDRESSED this
    matter.
    >> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT
    >> issued a
    >>>>>>>>>>> very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important SAFETY
    RECALL
    >> for
    >>>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota is
    >> therefore
    >>>>>>>>>>> putting
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Toyota owners and
    >> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
    >> small
    >>>>>>>>>>> children,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if you
    want
    >> an
    >>>>>>>>>>> open,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public debate about
    >> this
    >>>>>>>>>>> problem, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblige. You
    are
    >> using
    >>>>>>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital letters in
    >> a "yelling"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary and
    is
    >>>>>>>>>>> actually
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is
    >> does Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with
    the
    >>>>>>>>>>> *sticking
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. If you
    can
    >>>>>>>>>>> disprove
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the facts that the
    >> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>> owners are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then please do
    >> so. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dealerships have
    >> admitted a
    >>>>>>>>>>> problem
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with this for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEARS according
    >> to many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet-posting
    Toyota
    >> owners.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. Help
    >> the
    >>>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owners! The
    >> manufacturer
    >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection,
    does
    >> it?
    >>>>>>>>>>> OR,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners
    >> Unite for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution

     
     

 
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