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Re: Sticking Sliding Doors in the Toyota Sienna*v*
Posted by Debbie on 9/11/07

    Mr. Scott,

    I'm sorry it took me a few days to get back on the computer. I actually have a life outside of this chatboard and don't
    really have time to sit, it seems for much of the day, and insult and berate people I don't know for doing nothing other
    than speaking the truth. It's astonishing that you have that kind of time!!?

    Check out the picture of the receipt. I have attached the URL.

    It's pretty sad that someone can't even get on this site and honestly state an opinion and share an experience without
    people like you acting like a middle-schooler and insulting peoples character because you have no argument or reasonable
    explanation to offer. You debate/argue like a child. So how's that working for you??

    Debbie

    On 9/10/07, v wrote:
    > On 9/10/07, Randolph Scott wrote:
    >> Hey Curmudgeon/V:
    >>
    >> While you're playing your childish
    > oneupmanship games, I'm are still
    > waiting for all that evidence your
    > alter ego
    >> Debbie insists is available to prove
    > innocence of writing fake stories here!
    >> So put up or shut up---show us those
    > receipts!
    >> Oh, and BTW, the way you act is a
    > great example of why us Americans are
    > despised by the rest of the world!
    >> Keep up the good work! You're doing
    > us all a favor (not!!)
    >
    > That makes me happy! Tell the rest of
    > the world ... Go to h$ll ... & kiss my
    > arse on the way down.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> RS
    >>
    >>
    >> On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    >>> LMAO!!!!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>> Maybe that explains her
    >>> frustrations---she couldn't get
    > past
    >>> that darn windmill on the ath hole.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/09/07, v wrote:
    >>>>> Mudge! We must be kind to the
    >>> handicapped. Margareet has smelly
    >>> feet. and can't play golf. What
    > would
    >>> she do at
    >>>>> the ath hole??? So where can i
    > get
    >>> me some of this paranoia & aka??
    > I'm
    >>> refiguring the brews ... ski In the
    >>> out
    >>>>> house in da trailer park.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/09/07, Curmudgeon wrote:
    >>>>>> You just proved my point.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>> To "Curmudgeon"---aka screen
    >>> name of the moment:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> No paranoia here!! Just disgust
    >>> at your juvenile tactics.
    >>>>>>> Don't flatter yourself ATH
    >>> HOLE!!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> > Got paranoia?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 9/09/07, Margaret St. Clair
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> To "V", aka "Curmudgeon",
    >>> aka "Bubba", aka "Trailer Park
    >>> Escapee":
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I see you have dropped
    > another
    >>> notch or two on the intellectual
    >>> scale by posting some self serving
    >>>>>>>>> drivel allededly written by
    >>> myself. (We also know you had very
    >>> little intellectual capacity to
    > begin
    >>>>>>>>> with!!)
    >>>>>>>>> Well, all you've done is made
    >>> yourself look more foolish--and
    > quite
    >>> frankly, very, very stupid.
    >>>>>>>>> I now consider you in a
    >>> category I would call "Aggressive
    >>> Toyota Hater", or "ATH" for short.
    >>>>>>>>> So, up to now I might have
    >>> just considered you as a troubled
    >>> individual with a hangup about
    > Toyota.
    >>>>>>>>> But your latest outburst
    >>> simply confirms that you are
    >>> hopelessly stupid, and just an
    >>> ignorant "ATH HOLE"
    >>>>>>>>> with a big mouth and an
    >>> attitude!! (Excuse the lithp!)
    >>>>>>>>> So "V", "Curmudgeon", or
    >>> whoever else you choose to
    >>> impersonate in the future----
    >>> obviously you've
    >>>>>>>>> escaped from the wrong
    > trailer
    >>> park.
    >>>>>>>>> You should seriously consider
    >>> moving into a psychiatric clinic
    > for
    >>> remedial therapy--full time!!
    >>>>>>>>> However, it is douptful
    >>> therapy would do any good!
    >>>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> I just got in here last
    > week.
    >>> I don't know what you are talkng
    >>> about. I could give a rats a$$
    > about
    >>>>>>>>>> toyota. And no -- my only
    >>> posts come from me. Don't put words
    >>> in "my" mouth. You sound very
    >>>>>>>>> intelligent
    >>>>>>>>>> to. Keep up the good work.
    >>> After grammer school, shot for your
    >>> GED.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Margaret St.
    >>> Clair wrote: (.) v is the nicest
    > guy
    >>> i ever met on a chat board! Do like
    >>> he
    >>>>>>>>>> syas, buy American. Let the
    >>> fruitcakes eat toyotas.
    >>>>>>>>>>> To "V"--Whoever You Are:--
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You seem unusually
    > defensive
    >>> of posts directed against Toyota
    > when
    >>> anyone questions their veracity.
    >>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that many of
    >>> these posts are artificial, in that
    >>> when they appear, you are always
    >>>>>>>>>>> present to defend them.
    >>>>>>>>>>> That suggests you are
    >>> involved in their being here in the
    >>> first place, and may very well be
    >>> planting
    >>>>>>>>>>> some, if not all, of them
    > as
    >>> a result of your perverse animosity
    >>> toward Toyota.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Most of your comments are
    >>> quite ignorant and foul mouthed.
    >>>>>>>>>>> If then you are as ugly as
    >>> you are ignorant, you are a real
    >>> loser.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, you don't seem to
    >>> realize just how stupid you appear.
    >>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you should remain
    >>> in the trailer park you belong in.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, v wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> No offense gramps looks
    >>> like you
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and your friend randolph
    >>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>> busted!!!!!! END .....
    > GAME
    >>> OVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa.B
    > wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Randolph::
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> A word to the wise.
    >>> That "V"
    >>>>>>>>>>>> doofus is one of the goons
    >>> who keeps
    >>>>>>>>>>>> putting phony names in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake's crapped
    >>> out
    >>>>>>>>>>>> petition.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay no attention to the
    >>> creep.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grampa.B
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Grampa B.
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    >>> Scott wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr/Ms "V":
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes "V", I must agree
    >>> with you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Made in America"
    >>>>>>>>>>>> competition must be pretty
    >>> desperate
    >>>>>>>>>>>> to hire goons to post
    >>> stupid
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remarks like you just
    >>> did to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> defend BSers when they
    > post
    >>> lies.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Buy American??"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've got to be
    >>> kidding!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff produced there
    > now
    >>> is
    >>>>>>>>>>>> worse than the Chinese
    > crap
    >>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>> import because nobody is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to pay the
    >>> inflated
    >>>>>>>>>>>> prices for "Made In
    >>> America" things
    >>>>>>>>>>>> any more.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truth hurts, doesn't
    > it!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, when it comes
    >>> to "thugs",
    >>>>>>>>>>>> you rate right up there
    >>> with the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> rest of them!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota must be
    >>> desperate. If
    >>>>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to hire thugs to
    >>> beat down
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth from people
    >>> who've been
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed making a
    >>> purchase of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product. If they can't
    >>> take the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heat ... get out of
    > the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> kitchen.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saloution! BUY
    >>> AMERICAN!!!!!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/08/07, Randolph
    >>> Scott
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Miss Debbie:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In spite of your
    >>> feeble
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestations to the
    >>> contrary,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story is still a crock
    >>> of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless crap.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody can post
    >>> statements
    >>>>>>>>>>>> like
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just did, make
    >>> ridiculous
    >>>>>>>>>>>> claims
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "I Have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Receipts", and then
    >>> expect
    >>>>>>>>>>>> others
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That won't make any
    > of
    >>> such
    >>>>>>>>>>>> crap
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more beievable.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some will
    >>> believe your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story, but I certainly
    >>> don't.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're so
    > convinced
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that "receipts" are
    >>> proof,don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>> send
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to me--- post
    > them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here!! It's actually
    >>> easier to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> do.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And make sure they're
    >>> not just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phonied up ones!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I await your so
    >>>>>>>>>>>> called "receipts".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (LOL!!)
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise your lies
    >>> are on
    >>>>>>>>>>>> record
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/07/07, Debbie
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Scott,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you like, I can
    >>> email you
    >>>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of my receipt,
    >>> dated
    >>>>>>>>>>>> today, for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FOUR door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles that I just
    >>> purchased
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Toyota dealer
    >>> in my
    >>>>>>>>>>>> area.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered them on
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day I originally
    >>> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message and they came
    >>> in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> today. I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid $335 for the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four handles and
    > then
    >>> will
    >>>>>>>>>>>> pay
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another $400 to my
    >>> mechanic to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no reason to
    >>> make up a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story or facts. I'm
    >>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>> stating
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth about my own
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience and you
    >>> are very
    >>>>>>>>>>>> rude
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and presumptuous to
    >>> call me a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> liar.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no reason
    >>> to lie
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact, since I had
    >>> researched
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, many vehicles
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and came to the
    >>> conclusion
    >>>>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Toyota would be a
    >>> good buy,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial compulsion
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be to defend
    > my
    >>>>>>>>>>>> decision.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the vehicle
    >>> speaks
    >>>>>>>>>>>> for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself and I have no
    >>> other
    >>>>>>>>>>>> motive
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than to inform other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people of the
    >>> possible
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they could face if
    > they
    >>> make
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same decision I did.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I truly hope that if
    >>> you are
    >>>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owner, that
    > your
    >>>>>>>>>>>> experience
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been better than
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine. If so, good
    >>> for you.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, you have
    > no
    >>> place
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming that mine, or
    >>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other claims, are
    >>> untrue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can assure you
    > that
    >>> every
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single thing I said is
    >>> true and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100&37; accurate.
    > This
    >>> is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first time I
    > have
    >>> ever
    >>>>>>>>>>>> posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a website like this
    >>> and I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not posted
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else on
    > this
    >>> site or
    >>>>>>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other before. This is
    >>> just an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honest account of my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own experience.
    > And,
    >>> by the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> way,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never received
    >>> any
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation of any
    >>> kind
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Toyota for the
    >>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have encountered.
    >>> Although I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that there are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some major design
    >>> flaws that
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused these problems,
    >>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> personally
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefited from any
    >>> legal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceedings that have
    >>> taken
    >>>>>>>>>>>> place.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Randolph
    >>> Scott
    >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I am brand new to
    >>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    >>> thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an
    > objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    >>> personal
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That statement is
    >>> about as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credible as a
    > guarantee
    >>> of a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> lottery
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debbie, you are
    > just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another "Kill Toyota"
    >>> hack!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your post is just
    > so
    >>> PHONY!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/07, Debbie
    >>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brand new to
    >>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation but just
    >>> thought I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would give an
    > objective
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion about my
    >>> personal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota vehicle.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After opting for a
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of a Honda
    > back
    >>> in
    >>>>>>>>>>>> 2003,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I bought my 2000
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sienna, I have had
    >>> nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>> but
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it. I
    >>> bought if
    >>>>>>>>>>>> from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "Certified
    >>> Vehicle".
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We have a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> mysterious "oil
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem" that even our
    >>> longtime
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanic can't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure out. The
    > oil
    >>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappears.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Also, all four
    >>> of the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> door
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles on my van are
    >>> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just got off the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone with the
    >>> dealer to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> see
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about fixing them
    >>> because now
    >>>>>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all four of them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are broken, only
    >>> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> them
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows us to even get
    >>> in the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> van,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then we have to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb in and open
    >>> all the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> other
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doors from the
    > inside.
    >>> A
    >>>>>>>>>>>> really
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying side
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect when you
    > are
    >>> hauling
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 4 kids all the
    >>> time. By
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way, it's about
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $300 each to fix
    >>> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what I'm going to
    >>> do yet.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> It's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardly worth
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting $1200 into
    >>> my 6
    >>>>>>>>>>>> year
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old van. The one door
    >>> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>>> we can
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still open the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> van with is
    >>> literally in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces. We've just
    >>> managed to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> keep
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it together because
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's the driver's
    >>> door
    >>>>>>>>>>>> handle
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have banned
    >>> anyone from
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening it but me for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear that it will
    >>> just fall
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apart.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. My sending
    > unit
    >>> went
    >>>>>>>>>>>> out
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while the van was
    > still
    >>> under
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warranty, a very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem.
    >>> Even
    >>>>>>>>>>>> though
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer admitted it
    >>> was an
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual problem and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't have
    >>> happened,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> they
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't cover it
    > under
    >>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> warranty.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Various small
    >>> things
    >>>>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken, like the
    > handle
    >>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>> adjusts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the back of one
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back bucket
    >>> seats,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> has
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken. All the cup
    >>> holders
    >>>>>>>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very flimsy and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them
    >>> have
    >>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The plastic back of
    > one
    >>> of the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> seats
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteriously fell
    >>> off. You
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't plug certain
    >>> things into
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter sockets or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will short
    > and
    >>> blow
    >>>>>>>>>>>> fuses,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiple other
    >>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> All of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems have
    >>> occured
    >>>>>>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the van hit 100,000
    >>> miles. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>> gas
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mileage is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible. I'm
    >>> lucky to get
    >>>>>>>>>>>> 15
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miles to the gallon.
    >>> Not even
    >>>>>>>>>>>> close
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims. Also,
    > ever
    >>> since
    >>>>>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first flat tire, the
    >>> out of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> balance
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light on my dash
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has never gone
    > back
    >>> off.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had new tires twice
    >>> since then
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seems nothing
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will keep the darn
    >>> thing in
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance. The dealer
    >>> basically
    >>>>>>>>>>>> says,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh well, it's
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a light. I
    >>> wouldn't
    >>>>>>>>>>>> worry
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it. Also, the
    >>> remote key
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entry never
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked. It hasn't
    >>> worked
    >>>>>>>>>>>> since
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got it.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I have to say
    >>> is that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will never buy another
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle. For a brand
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has been
    >>> supposedly
    >>>>>>>>>>>> one of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most reliable and
    >>> best
    >>>>>>>>>>>> built
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles made, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been
    > extremely
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed. I don't
    >>> feel the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least bit sorry for or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned about
    > the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> dealer. If
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others have had the
    >>> problems
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I've
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had and can get
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dealer to
    > cover
    >>> some of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their expenses, more
    >>> power to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> them.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel that I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid top dollar
    > for
    >>> a very
    >>>>>>>>>>>> poor
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performing vehicle and
    >>> will
    >>>>>>>>>>>> just
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick with Honda
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from now on. I've
    >>> owned
    >>>>>>>>>>>> many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hondas over the years
    >>> and never
    >>>>>>>>>>>> had
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of these
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/22/07, Connie
    >>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE,
    > NO
    >>> DOUBT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THERE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE PEOPLE WITH DOOR
    >>> PROBLEMS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTHER THINGS,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT YOU CHOOSE TO
    >>> BLAME
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING ON TOYOTA
    >>> WITHOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ANY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACTS TO BACK UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO I AM GOING TO
    >>> REPEAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> WHAT I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAID BEFORE BECAUSE
    >>> IT'S TRUE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    >>> CHARLENE BLAKE,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    >>> ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    >>> IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    >>> TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    >>> THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    >>> THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    >>> YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG AX
    >>> TO GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    >>> WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    >>> MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    >>> DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    >>> STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    >>> RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A PHONY,
    > A
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLATAN,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND A FAKER AS I SEE
    >>> IT, AND
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS ALL THE
    >>> TIME,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIME.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    >>> FOR EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    >>> WITH
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    >>> AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    >>> POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING
    > YOU
    >>> HAVE TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS FISHY TO ME,
    > AND
    >>> THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MORE YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    > Connie
    >>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNLIKE YOU
    >>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM NOT IMPLYING
    >>> ANYTHING.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY NOT
    >>> IMPLYING
    >>>>>>>>>>>> THAT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OWNERS ARE CONNING
    >>> TOYOTA.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I AM CALLING IT
    >>> THE WAY I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SEE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND AS I SEE IT
    >>> THE ONLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ONE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOING ANY CONNING IS
    >>> YOU
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAKE. I THINK
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU HAVE A BIG
    > AX
    >>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> GRIND
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH TOYOTA AND YOU
    >>> WILL SAY
    >>>>>>>>>>>> AND DO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKE IT KNOWN NO
    >>> MATTER
    >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNDERHANDED AND
    >>> DISHONEST IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MAY BE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THINGS LIKE
    >>> STAGING THIS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EPISODE AND THEN
    >>> RESPONDING TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>> IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ARE YOUR STANDARD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF PERFORMANCE.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU ARE A
    >>> CHARLATAN AND A
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAKER AS I SEE IT, AND
    >>> YOU USE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHEAP
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THEATRICS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU BLAME TOYOTA
    >>> FOR
    >>>>>>>>>>>> EVERY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROBLEM THAT IS POSTED
    >>> WITH
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YOUR
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAWDRY LITTLE DOG
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND PONY SHOWS,
    >>> AND NEVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONSIDER OTHER
    >>> POSSIBILITIES.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW EVERYTHING
    >>> YOU HAVE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAY SOUNDS FISHY TO
    > ME,
    >>> AND THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SAY, THE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE IT GETS.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OH, ONE OTHER
    >>> THING, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> CHOOSE
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO USE CAPS AND I WILL
    >>> CONTINUE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> TO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DO SO IN
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPITE OF YOUR
    >>> CONCERNS
    >>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. IF IT LOOKS TO YOU
    >>> AS A
    >>>>>>>>>>>> YELLING
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MODE, TOO
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BAD. DEAL WITH
    > IT.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    >>> Charlene
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/21/07,
    >>> Connie
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Chapman
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFTER SEEING A
    >>> RESPONSE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> BY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHARLENE BLAKE I AM
    >>> MORE
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SUSPICIOUS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THAN EVER
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ABOUT THE
    >>> STORY. IT
    >>>>>>>>>>>> SOUNDS
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LIKE A SET UP.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you
    > implying
    >>> that
    >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota owners are
    >>> conning
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota? I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now...poor
    >>> automaker
    >>>>>>>>>>>> backed
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a corner by
    > Toyota
    >>> owner
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: Toyota
    >>> Sienna
    >>>>>>>>>>>> vans
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with
    >>> STICKING
    >>>>>>>>>>>> sliding
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> door locks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has not
    >>> PROPERLY
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADDRESSED this
    > matter.
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLAMES the owners!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota has NOT
    >>> issued a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> very
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important SAFETY
    > RECALL
    >>> for
    >>>>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota is
    >>> therefore
    >>>>>>>>>>>> putting
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Toyota owners and
    >>> their
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
    >>> small
    >>>>>>>>>>>> children,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at risk.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if you
    > want
    >>> an
    >>>>>>>>>>>> open,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public debate about
    >>> this
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problem, I
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblige. You
    > are
    >>> using
    >>>>>>>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capital letters in
    >>> a "yelling"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode. This is not
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary and
    > is
    >>>>>>>>>>>> actually
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offensive to many.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue is
    >>> does Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a problem with
    > the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> *sticking
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sliding doors* or
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. If you
    > can
    >>>>>>>>>>>> disprove
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the facts that the
    >>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>> owners are
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then please do
    >>> so. The
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dealerships have
    >>> admitted a
    >>>>>>>>>>>> problem
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with this for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YEARS according
    >>> to many
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet-posting
    > Toyota
    >>> owners.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. Help
    >>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owners! The
    >>> manufacturer
    >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need your
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection,
    > does
    >>> it?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> OR,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does it?????
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlene Blake
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cblake@erols.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota Owners
    >>> Unite for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution

     
     

 
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